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What areas do you agree, or agree to disagree with Ray's teachings ?

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Patrick:

--- Quote from: Kat on May 09, 2007, 04:39:25 PM ---
If there is something I don't understand or disagree with Ray on, I ask him about it privately, which anyone can do through email.
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--- Quote from: Kat on May 09, 2007, 04:39:25 PM ---Ray is nothing but an instrument in God's hand, just like I am, it's all Christ, Ray knows it and I know it.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

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You can meet him "in person" in a few days; you just have to travel to Nashville, TN.

rick:
Does knowing the truth automatically qualify us as Gods chosen and elect? I really have no idea if God has chosen me as His elect to be raised at the 1st ressurection. is there a way to know for sure????? if so, please tell me............rick

Rick,

It's hard for me to accept that you have said this,
--- Quote ---"I dont really believe that Ray teaches what "he believes" but he teaches what the scriptures say. and i have to believe that 100% because i can find nothing to refute it.God inspired the scriptures and has inspired Ray to deliver those scriptures to those whom He and only He has opened the eyes,ears and heart to receive it. I too begged God for the truth for many many years and now I am not so sure that is really what I wanted because knowing the truth changes our whole life. if I had died in a deceived state, i would be no worse off, because regardless of what I believe, that does not change what God has in store for man at all. God will work all things after the counsel of His own will. period. Just my thoughts, hope i have not offended any one. .............rick"
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If you had died in that state you would not be part of the Lake of Fire if indeed God chooses you, but rather you would be made subject to it!  There is a huge difference there as I understand it.  It is far better to be among the elect come judgment day.  To have Jesus say to you, "Well done good and faithful servant."  Wow.

Josh
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Craig:

--- Quote ---Does knowing the truth automatically qualify us as Gods chosen and elect?
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Absolutely..............NOT

Craig

Robin:
mrsnacks,

I can't count the number of times I haven't been able to sleep at night when I wrestle with new truth that I learn. That is just the kind of personality I have. My brother learns with excitement and I head into the unknown with fear. That is the carnal part of me that God deals with when he teaches me. God has never failed though to give me the faith needed to move forward in what he has taught me. I can vividly remember learning that I can't trust myself. I can't trust myself to keep myself from being deceived. Deceived people don't know they are deceived. I am not beyond being deceived and I have to put my trust in God. If I am chosen in this age God will not let me be deceived.

When I first found this site the only thing God had taught me was the free will series. It's the first thing I read when coming here. I laughed and cried when reading it. There were some things written that I had learned and never heard anyone else say. Ray said it though. It is the first time I'd ever heard anyone besides my brother believe the same thing that God taught me. That is the only reason I was able to read and bring Ray's other teaching before God.

Before coming here I knew the trinity teaching wasn't correct, but I didn't have the answers. I tried for years to prove hell wrong, but couldn't do it. I was very excited that Ray had the answers to there being no hell. Learning who Christ is was much harder for me to accept and I struggled with it before God and was able to accept it after reading all the scripture that Ray wrote out and testing all of it. It threw me into one of those head spins for a few weeks though.



Ephesians 4
7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why it says:
   "When he ascended on high,
      he led captives in his train
      and gave gifts to men." 9(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

 14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.[/b]

God chose not to continue teaching me through revelation of scripture. I spent 10 long years waiting for God to teach me something new. I searched the internet for years looking for anyone who believed the way I do and found no one. I finally looked to God and prayed. If you have a teacher alive anywhere in this world please lead me to him if it is your will for me to have a teacher. That is when I found this site.

I have always had a million questions since the time I was 4 years old. God doesn't mind that I have questions and he is always faithful to answer them. If I believe something is true you can be assured that I have questioned it to exhaustion, broke it into a million pieces, and put it back together in a way that I understand it. That's why it takes me so long to learn anything. I'm glad God is patient with me.

I believe that God has appointed Ray to be a teacher. If he taught something against what God has already taught me I'd be asking some serious questions. I haven't found anything yet though and I'm learning much more.

John 10
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

skydreamers:
Hi Mr. Snacks,


--- Quote ---But I can't help but think isn't it dangerous ? I say this because I have been involved in cults growing up where a leader was held as almost a god to be worshiped.
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It's understandable that this would be a fear of yours.  I think you are wise to be cautious.  I may be generalizing here, but I think that Cult Leaders generally seek to exalt themselves for some sort of personal gain, monetary or otherwise.  Or they are just plain crazy.  Obviously, I don't think that Ray falls into either of these categories. 

Sometimes it's the people who seek to exalt a leader...I think sometimes this is human nature, to want someone tangible to look to and seek answers from.  We are like sheep, afterall yearning for a shepard...and the carnal mind wants that to be a physical type thing.  This is the danger; not continually seeking Christ and his Word for the answers, and checking everything against scripture. 

I came into Christianity through the SDA church.  Along with the Bible, members also highly respect and study writings from a woman Ellen White who was one of the pioneers of the church.  She claimed to have direct visions from God and wrote hundreds of books and papers....they say she had the "Spirit of Prophecy".  Needless to say, there are some members of the church (not all mind you) who become very upset if you question any of her writings.  SDA's are accused of holding her as at least equal authority to the bible...I think this is why this particular church is often thought of as a cult.  (Not all SDA's view her with such authority).  She has some beautiful writings that at the time, drew me closer to Christ.  But in time, I discovered that she also claimed some things that can not be proven scripturally, or they just don't line up with scripture. 

Since coming into some truths and then stumbling on bibletruths and seeing how scriptural Ray's writings are...I've left the SDA church and their teachings behind.

It's a lesson for me in realizing that no one man or woman holds ALL the truth.  I imagine that would be overwhelming for one person.  But certainly there can be people who teach a pure truth that is not mingled with lies.  So far, the portions of truth I have studied that have been pointed out by Ray, seem hard to refute, as others here have said.

All we can do is continue to ask God to open our eyes and lead us out of deception.  I look at other material from time to time but keep coming back here.  I have never met Ray, but it seems to me he is a humble man who is willing to admit when he may have been off the mark (as he did on a recent audio).  It's a lot of work to do what he does, for literally no gain, and I think he tries very hard to make sure he has studied and prayed long enough over a topic before he posts a paper about it.

I think most of us here are more in awe of the truths we have learned in scripture, rather than being in awe of Ray.  But I respect and admire the sacrifices he's made to share what he has learned in his life's spiritual journey.

Peace,
Diana

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