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Difinition of "Hell"
YellowStone:
Good point sister Arcturus :)
The NIV does a little better job of the translation of words into Hell.
Job 26:6 [KJV] Hell [is] naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Job 26:6 [NIV] Death is naked before God; Destruction llies uncovered.
Actually, the word "Hell" appears only 14 times in the NIV compared to 54 times in the King James.
Following is a breakdown of the three Greek words translated to mean hell and the Scriptures in the NIV from which they come.
(hell)
occurs 14 times in 14 verses in the NIV
The Greek meanings may surprise many :)
Hell (12 times) = geenna {gheh'-en-nah}
Hell is the place of the future punishment call "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.
Hell (once) = Hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
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In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.
Hell (once) = Tartaroo {tar-tar-o'-o}
1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus
To your point Arcturus, were the translators interested most in truth or tradition (pagan belief)
Clearly, the HELL fallacy is the greatest lie known to man, bar none. I wonder what the masses would think if they read the meanings above, and applied them to the Scriptures below.
NIV Scriptures using Hell
Mat 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother*will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell [Gehenna].
Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell [Gehenna].
Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell [Gehenna].
Mat 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell [Gehenna].
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell [Gehenna].
Mat 23:15 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell [Gehenna] as you are.
Mat 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell [Gehenna]?
Mar 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell [Gehenna], where the fire never goes out.
Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell [Gehenna].
Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell [Gehenna],
Luk 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell [Gehenna]. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
Luk 16:23 In hell, hades where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Jam 3:6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell [Hades].
2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, [Tartaroo] putting them into gloomy dungeons* to be held for judgment;
This has been a very rewarding Study.
Thanks for a great thread everyone,
Inchrist with love,
Darren
Brett:
Thanks Arcturus and Darren for the share.
I am not easy understand the threads because I don't see the answer like "Yes, KJ believed 'Hell' mean fire torture." Or "No, KJ did not believe 'Hell' mean fire torture, but cover or conceal."
I will repeat question, also I added Jerome too.
Did the Jerome (Vulgate Bible) believe 'inferni' mean Hell fire torture as today's Christendom?
Did KJ believe 'Hell' mean fire torture as today's Christendom?
Ray said that Jerome did not believe "aeternam" mean endless. So, to me, Jerome supported Greek 'aion/aionios' belong to age or eon. Then later in hundred years from Jerome, the Catholic changed meaning of 'aeternam' into 'endless', not longer meaning of age or eon like from 'gay' mean 'happy', now 'gay' has changed mean is 'homesexual', and soon 'gay' will not longer mean 'happy'.
Did KJ believe 'eternal', 'everlasting' belong to endless as Jerome?
Because, I love history and am very curious about thousands years the words meaning changed into meaning now day. I am looking for sincerely Old English dictionary.
I know it is not easy answer, maybe I will send Ray in e-mail, but I rather first to see if anyone know the history of language meaning and change meaning .
Thanks again!
Brett
Robert:
I am reading this discussion, and thought I’d throw in my 2 cent’s worth. King James, knew that major religious division within England could have repercussions on his rule. His bible was an attempt to appeal to the Puritans, Presbyterians and Catholics, yet still vindicate the Church of England (by its very name, reinforce the Anglican belief in monarch-Pope). The Bible was to vindicate, not change existing belief.
CDJ:
Good morning Brett,
1) Did the Jerome (Vulgate Bible) believe 'inferni' mean Hell fire torture as today's Christendom?
My opinion: The Vulgate didn't use "inferni" but rather "inferi"... here is a link for you to a Latin Dictionary (LINK) - No, it doesn't seem like it, but I haven't checked out all - they do however use the word 'gehennae'
2) Did KJ believe 'Hell' mean fire torture as today's Christendom?
My opinion: Yes, they believed "hell" means fire torture. Why? Because they used "hell" for hades, sheol, gehenna and tartarus - All four. If they didn't believe in fire torture, they wouldn't have used "hell" for all 4 old words...
Here's links to some helpful sites...
Old Bibles
Online Etymology Dictionary
Old English Dictionary
Regards
CDJ :-)
Brett:
CDJ,
Thanks very much for the share. It is some insightful, very well. I think Jerome never believed 'inferi' belong to Hell as Christendom, did he?
You have very good point about KJV:
2) Did KJ believe 'Hell' mean fire torture as today's Christendom?
My opinion: Yes, they believed "hell" means fire torture. Why? Because they used "hell" for hades, sheol, gehenna and tartarus - All four. If they didn't believe in fire torture, they wouldn't have used "hell" for all 4 old words...
Yeah, it looks like KJV believed Hell is fire torture because of same word he wrote 'Hell' from Greek gehenna and tartarus, which was literal fire as 'garbage'. Of course, gehenna and tararus are vanished away. No one can find it. Jesus mentioned of gehenna and Peter mentioned of tararus as symbolic for to purge out of sin to become like silver (fruitful).
Thanks for the web-site and it is useful!! I have been looking for long time. One of the best website is 'Online Etymology Dictionary'. This one awsome! Thanks again!
Brett
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