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Trinity question .
YellowStone:
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--- Quote ---So Jesus is the son of God, but I don't think he existed eternally with God like the church teaches
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May I draw your attention to the following?
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
and
Passage John 17:5:
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
and
Revelation 19:13:
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
See also Matt 22:41-45
All NIV translation
I personally think Jesus existed with God for all time, to me whether God, Jesus and Holy Spirit = 1 persona or are individual persona is unimportant. Jesus is the appropriation for our sin, none other.
Likewise the baptism in water 1 immersion vs 3 immersions, irrelevant! Sprinkling however ???
Luv to all
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I think you might have missed the following :)
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Love to you in Christ,
Darren
nmendes:
Kat,
I thank you for inserting Ray's explanation of the trinity to me. I had to admit that I once believe this false belief in the trinity. I didn't 100% understand it but it was believed by the masses and so i accepted it. It is very dangerous to go along with the majority. They are not always right. Look what they did to Jesus. But then again, it was all part of Our Father's plan anyway.
Peace and blessings
Love
Nicole.
Redbird:
Hi Darren,
I think that was a pretty darn good analogy!
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Peace and Love ~ Lisa
YellowStone:
Thanks Lisa..... :) :)
Love to you,
Darren
berniekruger:
--- Quote ---I think you might have missed the following
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Forgive me, been out of the word a long time, trying to kick-start the spiritual brain.
This seems to be the major hang-up others have on other blogs Trinity, was never an issue in my life and most people cannot substantiate their belief system with respect to this!
Even the Apostles creed opening statement makes no mention of a trinity
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
later on
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
*The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Luv to all
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