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Is there any truths coming out of the present apostate church today?
seminole:
That kind of felt like walking into hell! That is why I fear saying anything about the church. I do believe that we should do the best we can to live as Jesus did. Not to say we do it but He does it through us when we push our own human-ness out of the way. We can do nothing good but it is Jesus who can do good through us. I know what songs of praise are about where I go. I understand the words. We don't do what some call"high church". Ours is a group of mostly poor people who have been or are being delivered from alcohol, drugs and anything else you can think of. All we want to do is try to show the love of Jesus regardless of circumstances. Sorry, I can't remember the name of the person who wrote after my response, it was a terrible thing to get thrown out of your church and I am sorry you went through that. I can understand your anger. That is about all I have to say about any of this topic.
Seminole
seminole:
forgot to say, we do believe Jesus physically died. We believe He resurrected too and hung out for a while with people but they couldn't touch Him. Then after that God sent the Comforter to be with us. That is what the Bible says. There in the Bible too it says no more tears and crying. Seems to me that if you believe in hell, you wouldn't be looking at people burning while you are in heaven. That would bring tears I think.
Seminole
seminole:
I am interested to see the thoughts on this. Any???
mrsnacks:
Hell would only make sense if there was an end and the purpose of it would be for the betterment of the person. It would make sense if hell was the Lake Of Fire but it isn't. The concept of hell is fear based and a demonstration of conditional love not agape love. How could anyone sit in heaven and look down on billions of people screaming their heads off in torment and shed no tears. Let's be real . Could you picture a loved one for example a parent or a spouse being tortured and feel good about it ? A professor said in response to my question - there are infinite consequences to man's finite actions. Wow ! That just made me feel so much
better (sarcasm). How sick of an answer now that I see. I honestly can't see singing praises to a God that sends people to hell. How can Christendom sing praises ? If I were to stand up and sing praises to a Hitler or a Stalin would that be acceptable ? Of course not. That would be sick. They gave the orders to have millions tortured and killed. Yet Christendom's sings praises to a god of their making who has billions locked up and tortured forever and throws away the key and that is worse. Let me add and claims to be the Savior of all mankind.
I say this all not telling anyone here what they don't know already. Kat is right in that Christendom is blinded. One must be blind not to see this contradiction. And we don't hate the church. How can you hate someone who is blind ? No one in his right mind would yell at Stevie Wonder for not seeing. And I was there and would still be sick and blind if it wasn't for God's mercy and grace.
And Mari_ et _pere is right in that they just don't know.
I used to attend large Pentecostal churches in the past where there would be prophesying to the congregation. You know the tune - the pastor would speak in tongues and there would be interpretation. And then God would speak through a person to the congregation. And you notice when God speaks He says nothing about the false teachings from the pulpit. There was never a prophecy with God saying - " Why do you teach this doctrine of hell fire when I have not spoken of it. " The prophecies I heard I never was impressed with. There were always so general. Never specific. And if it was God speaking why didn't anyone write it down word for word ? This is a true story and I was there -there was one time when the interpretation was given and ended with " God shall lead His people as Moses led the animals into the ark. " And then the interpreter sat down. And the audience was silent. 10 seconds later he stood up and said " I meant Noah. " Go figure.
jackson:
As concerning the original question... "Is there any truths coming out of the present apostate church today?" I find the answer to be a resounding YES, YES, YES!!! After all that is where I'm from, How about you?
To paraphrase Paul: "When I was a child I played with childish toys and drank from mothers milk. But now as a mature son of God I have put away those childish toys and now drink from the cup of life."
My Father used the First Baptist Church in Houston, Mississippi as a foundation on which to build His Church in me. I have nothing but love for those people and that time in my life.
But now as the complete truth has been revealed, my Father has seen fit to bring me out of that environment. My taste have matured beyond that of mothers milk.
As for the people still in the church of man, well, I have this notion of them as "little brothers and sisters". God the Father has intrusted us (the older more mature sibling) to look after the younger ones. But as we are still siblings it is not for us to be chastising or condesending to them (assuming our Father loves us more).
So, yes I do believe a great deal of good comes from the church of man. It is after all, as I said before, God's will; and we all know how that works.
In His Grace,
Jackson
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