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Should I forgive someone who has done Mark 3: 27-30?
rocky:
I personally don't believe the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unrepented sin. I believe it is turning from Christ, after once having tasted the power of the Spirit. Turning back to law, self righteousness for our salvation.
Jud 1:3 Beloved! though I was using all diligence to be writing unto you concerning our common salvation, yet have I had necessity to write at once unto you, exhorting you to be earnestly contending for, the faith, once for all delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there have crept in unobserved certain men, who, from of old, have been publicly notified for this sentence, ungodly, men, the favour of our God, turning into wantonness, and, our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ, denying.
Jud 1:10 But, these, whatsoever things, indeed, they know not, they defame; but, whatsoever things, naturally, like the irrational creatures, they well understand, by these, are they, bringing themselves to ruin.
Jud 1:12 These are they—who, in your love-feasts, are hidden rocks, as they fare sumptuously together, fearlessly, themselves, shepherding,—clouds without water, by winds swept along, trees autumnal, fruitless, twice dead, uprooted,
Twice dead, there's something to meditate on. To me, twice dead is: dead once prior to the spirit being given, then tasted LIFE through the Spirit, then not staying faithful to the end, turning back to old covenant/administration of death=TWICE DEAD.
Unbelief after first having belief is to be twice dead, (interesting twice dead, and in Revelation "second death")
Jud 1:13 Wild waves of sea, foaming out their own infamies, wandering stars, for whom the gloom of darkness age-abiding hath been reserved.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of the hope without wavering,—for, faithful, is he that hath promised;
Heb 10:26 For, if, by choice, we be sinning, after the receiving of the full-knowledge of the truth, no longer, for sins, is there left over, a sacrifice,
Heb 10:27 But some fearful reception of judgment and fiery jealousy, about to devour the opposers.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be accounted worthy, who hath trampled underfoot the Son of God, and, the blood of the covenant, hath esteemed, a profane thing, by which he had been made holy, and, unto the Spirit of favour, hath offered wanton insult?
Heb 10:31 A fearful thing it is to fall into the hands of a Living God!
Heb 10:38 But, my righteous one, by faith, shall live, and, if he draw back, my soul delighteth not in him.
Heb 10:39 We, however, are not of a drawing back unto destruction, but, of faith, unto an acquisition of life.
1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that, Jesus, is the Christ, of God, hath been born: and, whosoever loveth him that begat, loveth him that hath been begotten of him.
1Jo 5:4 Because, whatsoever hath been born of God, overcometh the world; and, this, is the victory that hath overcome the world—our faith.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible—as to these who have been, once for all, illuminated, who have tasted also of the heavenly free-gift, and have been made, partners, in a Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted God’s utterance to be, sweet, mighty works also of a coming age,
Heb 6:6 And who have fallen away, again, to be remoulding them into repentance; seeing they are again crucifying unto themselves the Son of God, and holding him up as an example.
Heb 6:7 For, land, which hath drunk in, the rain, thereupon ofttimes coming, and which bringeth forth vegetation fit for them for whom it is even cultivated, partaketh of a blessing from God;
Heb 6:8 But, should it be bringing forth thorns and briars, it is disapproved, and, unto cursing, nigh,—whose end is for burning.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure (stay faithful to the Spirit) unto the end, the same shall be saved.
would love to hear you all thoughts.
rocky:
Still thinking about "twice dead", and uprooted . I did an esword search, and thot these verses also be interesting.
1Ki 14:15 For the LORD shall smite Israel, as a reed is shaken in the water, and he shall root up Israel out of this good land, which he gave to their fathers, and shall scatter them beyond the river, because they have made their groves, provoking the LORD to anger.
Psa 52:5 God shall likewise destroy thee forever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Jer 1:10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: rocky on May 24, 2007, 08:25:24 PM ---
I personally don't believe the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unrepented sin. I believe it is turning from Christ, after once having tasted the power of the Spirit. Turning back to law, self righteousness for our salvation.
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Hi Rocky,
Interesting post for sure, if we are not convicted by the Spirit to repent, if our hearts have been hardened and our eyes blinded to our sins then that will have the result of being cast into the Lake of Fire.
If we are remorsefull over our continued stumbling that is the proof the Spirit is working in us, if we feel complacency and justify our continued sinning that is rejecting or blasphemy against the Spirit, feeling no need to repent we don't, unrepented sin means the second death awaits.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
His Peace to you,
Joe
P.S. Rocky do you have a twin or a family member who also belongs to the Forum? Your style of writing and the questions you pose remind me of another (infrequent) poster/member.
Just curious...
Kat:
Hi rocky,
--- Quote ---I personally don't believe the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unrepented sin. I believe it is turning from Christ, after once having tasted the power of the Spirit. Turning back to law, self righteousness for our salvation.
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I can see the point you are making, but it seems it would be unrepented sin to blasphemy the Holy Spirit. Because the person would not understand it as a sin, but believe they are right, thus not repent.
Something else I noticed is this scripture.
Mat 12:32 And, whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him,—but, whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or the coming.
This is saying that they will not be forgiven in the next age. We know when Christ returns He will bring judgment to the world. So this must mean some will not be saved during that age, I have just come to consider this.
Do not have any other scriptures on this now, but was just wondering about it.
mercy, peac, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Here is what I see.
Judas Iscariot had all the privileges of the other Disciples. He walked with Jesus. He talked with Jesus. He was on the inside track so to speak. Yet, he was appointed to be the vessel of dishonour.
Jesus prayed for Peter when Satan desired to sift him like wheat. Jesus did not pray for Judas and Satan entered him to do his work of betrayal.
For me this means we should never take for granted where we think we are in our walk with Jesus. We may look like we are Disciples but only Jesus knows how He is going to author our faith in the end. On Him we are totally dependent for our faith, election and entry into His Kingdom!
peace to you
Arcturus :)
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