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Six-Day Creation
Robert:
There have been some good thoughts on this coming through, thanks particularly to Andrevan and I generally agree with them all. I have for many years gone along with the short account for creation, although it simply does not fit with fossil records, quite apart from evolution theory. When I say day-age, I mean that the creation days as a specified length of time, as opposed to a 24-hour day as we know it.
I am amazed to find that the push for belief in six literal day creationism has its roots with the SDA church, who view the Genesis literal account for believing in seventh-day Sabbath.
Even geological records reveal man is a relative new-comer to the world, and post-dates alleged relatives by a un-answerable distance. On this same subject, who believes the food was literally world-wide, i.e., it also covered Australia?
Michael:
I've noticed a few good points here. But we should know that God has declared the end from the beginning(Isa 46:10). When did God say what day it IS? Has the seventh already come and gone? or are we still IN the sixth day? Like as in between the sixth and the seventh trump. I think it is "like" a blueprint for the creation. First, how long is each day? Diana definitely hit on it.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The word thousand in this verse is plural in the Greek texts(Textus Receptus) both times. So actually it is thousands of years, not a thousand. Notice the Gen 1:27! I think that this is actually a parable and I can even see the salvation for all in this verse. The king James says this:
"Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
But has God fully creatED man or is God creatING man in His image. IN HIS IMAGE! If we have already been created in God's image then why do we still sin? God cannot sin. The Concordant Version says:
"And creating is the Alueim humanity in His image. In the image of Alueim He creates it. Male and female He creates them."
PLEASE notice in the first chapter when it says at the end of the verses..."and it was so". Pay attention to the words! :) Here is the Strong's definition of the Hebrew word so(H3651):
kane
From H3559; properly set upright; hence (figuratively as adjective) just; but usually (as adverb or conjugation) rightly or so (in various applications to manner, time and relation; often with other particles): - + after that (this, -ward, -wards), as . . . as, + [for-] asmuch as yet, + be (for which) cause, + following, howbeit, in (the) like (manner, -wise), X the more, right, (even) so, state, straightway, such (thing), surely, + there (where) -fore, this, thus, true, well, X you.
It did NOT say at the end of the verse there "and it was SO". My point I'm trying to make is that God is still creating mankind in His image and that it is not completed, set, just, rightly, or so yet. I think that this word is definitely worthy of notice. I hope I may have given some insight on this here, Lord willing. ;D
Grace, Peace, and Mercy,
Michael
andrevan:
--- Quote from: skydreamers on May 28, 2007, 07:43:30 PM ---This is also something interesting which Ray points out:
Genesis 2:4 KJV
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Here God expresses creating the earth and the heavens in "a" day (singular). Never saw this before until I heard Ray point it out in one of his audios (I think in the first one of the latest from the Nashville conference).
Very interesting indeed.
Peace,
Diana
--- End quote ---
I'm not convinced that this Scripture refers to days being ages or very long periods of time. In the day that our forefathers pioneered the west: By this we understand that they pioneered the west over many years. It is referring to the time when it was done. To me this does not turn a "day" into "a long period of time". In the the same way, in the day the Lord made the heavens and earth refers to the 6 days it was done, in the same as way as the many years the pioneering of the west was done.
Let's say that a new continent was conquered in 200 years, now "in the day our forefathers conquered the new continent" does not change the fact that it was conquered in 200 actual years and not one day, and not 200 ages.
Adam and Eve were real people, or am I in error here? We have a written history of them and their descendants, very possibly recorded by them and handed down through the generations to Moses. They were not a bunch of halfwits banging rocks together to make fire, I think we can all agree on that.
We have Scriptures that tell us God created in 6 days (yom), but few seem to want to believe it, all things are possible with God, I'm sure He could have created everything in 6 seconds!
There was no death before Adam and Eve sinned, because the wages of sin IS death, physical and spiritual. They eventually died, but not on day 6. I cannot see how thousands of years could have gone by before sin entered the world, as Adam was dead before he reached 1000 years and day six came to an end.
Mankind existed at the beginning of creation, Christ confirms this when He says that from the beginning, God made them male and female, speaking about divorce and marriage.
(As a side:
The majority of earth dating methods are made by secular scientists who have a predetermined bias towards the evolutionary time frame, and is nothing but speculation and "cleaning" of data. Not all the evidence points to billions of years.)
So we may make a comparison to us now being in the "6th day", but we have to consider that Adam and Eve were real people, as are the rest of their descendants, us :).
Just a few more thoughts of mine on this subject.
Peace to you.
Andrevan.
andrevan:
--- Quote from: Robert on May 29, 2007, 01:17:44 AM ---There have been some good thoughts on this coming through, thanks particularly to Andrevan and I generally agree with them all. I have for many years gone along with the short account for creation, although it simply does not fit with fossil records, quite apart from evolution theory. When I say day-age, I mean that the creation days as a specified length of time, as opposed to a 24-hour day as we know it.
I am amazed to find that the push for belief in six literal day creationism has its roots with the SDA church, who view the Genesis literal account for believing in seventh-day Sabbath.
Even geological records reveal man is a relative new-comer to the world, and post-dates alleged relatives by a un-answerable distance. On this same subject, who believes the food was literally world-wide, i.e., it also covered Australia?
--- End quote ---
You mention the fossils and that a short creation time frame does not fit. We must take into consideration how fossils are formed in the vast majority of cases: rapid burial by water and sediment.
When a fish dies in your fish tank, does it float or sink, they genrally float, they tend to sink after other fish have had a good chew on them, but they decompose away. Fossils are not formed slowly and gradually, the organism must be buried quickly in water and sediment otherwise it just decomposes away. The majority of the fossil record was laid down over a short period of time. Imagine the power of the receding waters as the dry land appeared after the Flood: the Grand Canyon could have been formed by these powerful receding waters that COVERED the entire earth, massive powerful erosion over a short period of time, not over millions of years.
It all depends on your perspective: biblical history or secular history. :)
--- Quote ---On this same subject, who believes the food was literally world-wide, i.e., it also covered Australia?
--- End quote ---
Do you mean "the flood was worldwide"? If so, yes it was worldwide: Gen 7:19 And the waters have been very very mighty on the earth, and covered are all the high mountains which are under the whole heavens;
Gen 7:20 fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered;
Gen 7:21 and expire doth all flesh that is moving on the earth, among fowl, and among cattle, and among beasts, and among all the teeming things which are teeming on the earth, and all mankind;
Gen 7:22 all in whose nostrils is breath of a living spirit--of all that is in the dry land--have died.
Peace to you. :)
Andrevan.
CDJ:
Hi all,
Revelation 20:10 (King James Version) "...And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever..."
Same day and night as Genesis?
Revelation 22:5 (King James Version) "...And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever..."
Maybe the sun on Day 4 wasn't needed before, if reading the above verse...
This might help...
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