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YellowStone:
Hi All :)

This is a great discussion, and reminds me of the time when the movie "Jurrasic Park" was first released and how the churches tried to explain how Moses handled the dinasours.

From a purely analytical view point, there are many ways to look at this subject. :)

I think Michael asked the million dollar question: "What day is it today?"

Seeing how we have no point of reference to this outside of our own perspective, we can safely assume that that a day in the life of God is not measured by the time it takes the Earth to revolve on it's axis,  ;D

This was also touched on by someone, for it was not until day 3 that the Earth was given light. God in his wisdom, created a universe to a Physicists delight, time (relative to our earthly measure) can be measured by the distance that light travels in a given amount of time. Light or the rays thereof change color depending on their distance they are from the viewer.

For even light as FAST as it is, is ridiculously slow as a measurement of distance of known space. Light only takes 8 minutes and 18 seconds to travel the 93,000,000 miles from the Sun to the Earth; however, any real light measurement is measured in the distance that light travels in a year.

But how far exactly is a light-year? Light travels 186,000 miles per second. There are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day, and 365 days in a year. Multiply these together to get 31,500,000 seconds in a year. Multiply that times 186,000 miles per second and you get 5,850,000,000,000 miles  (from:DiscoverySchool)

That's aproximately 5.8 trillion miles in a year. Now, scientists have discovered galaxies that are around 10+ billion light years away. The simple fact is that if we can see that light from this galaxy today, we are looking at what happened around 10 billion years ago.

So with all this taken into account, it would seem absurb to restrict God to our timeline, because his creation itself, teachs us differently. And so it should :)

Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

What is clearly seen, is that we have absolutely no idea what God is capable of. :) It would be easeir to ask what God cannot achieve, which is of course NOTHING! :)

I hope this helps :)

Love to all,

Darren

mari_et_pere:
This is a fascinating debate. I've thought about this for decades now LOL. My conclusion?

We'll never be done questioning it. 100 people could post 5 times a day and we still wouldn't have any credible evidence. I think there's a powerful lesson in it though. God is awesome, and we can't begin to determine His ways. We can't fathom how He would have pulled off something like creation, wether in 6 days or 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. Either which way, He is responsible for all that has been created or destroyed, and that's super amazing.

Personally I don't believe in 6 literal, human-made calendar days. In fact that would be quite silly seeing how different cultures have devised differing calendars. If we debate this enough, it will grow into the chicken and egg debate.

Did He create a million animals or just 2 of each? He only made 2 humans.

When He created the stars, did he wait the 10 billion years that Darren spoke of, or did He create it so that the light was already reaching the earth?

When He created the mountain streams, were the rocks already smooth and eroded, or did it take time for that?

My mind wraps around not how many "days" creation took, but HOW it happened. Did He allow things to evolve, (or de-evolve) or snap His fingers and make it done right now? When He said, "Let there be *** or ****", did it happen suddenly, or was it just STARTED suddenly, then take time to become what it is?

Just a couple thoughts.

Matt

andrevan:
To go back to what Robert originally asked, I think there may be a few Scriptures that could point to a Genesis "day" being and "age", but not directly. I'm not going to rule out any options.

Michael made a good point about God creatiNG mankind into His image. I think we all agree with Michael and Ray on this being the correct way it should be translated, it makes Scriptural sense.

Perhaps we are still in the 6th day as Michael points to, and when God "rests" on the 7th day, is when God is All in All, because His plan will have been accomplished.

We still need to take into consideration the ORDER in which God created everything, the real history of Genesis, the Flood of Noah, what effect that massive deluge would have on the landscape of the earth, etc.

Jurassic Park is fiction, not fact. I don't see a problem with dinosaurs being around with our ancestors. We don't expect to be taken out by lions while we go about our business, unless of course we wander around in the African bush looking for trouble ;). T Rex was one of a few meat eating dino's, and I can't see them plotting together in gangs to invade towns and cities eating humans ;D. Also they may not have been in all parts of the world either.

Just a few more points to ponder :).
Andrevan.

Robert:
Just a few further thoughts then: God said to Adam “for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Given that ‘A day to the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day’ – that was correct, no-one has lived more than 1000 years, every sinner has died ‘in’ a day, even Methuselah.
As far as what ‘day’ we are in, we are in God’s seventh day, because God has finished creation. All of creation is of course being sustained by God, but remember that Christ said to His creation to procreate ‘after their kind’ as with all other living things. No living things are created new.
I think it would be fair to say that Christ created great abundance of plants, birds and animals. He created a sustainable ecosystem. As well as this, on the ‘day’ Christ and the Father created Adam, He brought all the animals to him for naming. Adam would have been busy if it was a day of 24 hours, given that there are 8000 species of spider alone.
As far as death goes, I don’t believe it does any violence to scripture to assume that created beasts, plants, insects and micro-organisms had a life-span, and then died, before Adam sinned.
This is getting to my question about the world-wide food. It is easy to assume that Christ had put animals and plants and ecosystems all over the world. Given the flood as world-wide, ALL the plants and animals, apart from those in the sea, would have died, and the earth would have been a giant desert, therefore Noah would have faced a world with much less animals and plants than the world Adam was created in. This has always been the problem with this version.

andrevan:
Hi Robert.

Check this out:

"And the man calleth names to all the cattle, and to fowl of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; and to man hath not been found an helper -- as his counterpart." Gen 2:20

This is all Adam had to name, not insects (or sea creatures), etc.

You made some good points, especially when you say
--- Quote ---As far as death goes, I don’t believe it does any violence to scripture to assume that created beasts, plants, insects and micro-organisms had a life-span, and then died, before Adam sinned.
--- End quote ---
I'm inclined to agree with you on this point.

Plants and especially seeds can survive in water for some time.

"and expire doth all flesh that is moving on the earth, among fowl, and among cattle, and among beasts, and among all the teeming things which are teeming on the earth, and all mankind;
all in whose nostrils [is] breath of a living spirit -- of all that [is] in the dry land -- have died." Gen 7:21-22

Also, Noah and his family would have taken food on board for themselves and the animals, and quite possibly, Noah being an intelligent man, would have taken seeds for growing crops after coming off the ark, and possibly enough food to for when they came off the ark. Check out www.worldwideflood.com and http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3000/ for more info.

The post Flood world would have indeed been a very different place, ecologically and geologically, many varieties of creatures could have been lost, but speciation would have started again in the years after the Flood, as well as variation in creatures.

Another thought, if the Flood was only local, then God lied to Noah and us when He promised to never again destroy the world by water, by giving us a sign of His covenant. We have had thousands of local floods since then. If the Flood was local then God broke His promise to never again send a local flood.

God has not finished creating us into His image and likeness yet, so I'm not sure that we're in the 7th Day, because God is still creating mankind. Yes, all other life has been created past tense, because they are not being created into God's image, only Mankind. His work is not yet finished in this regard.

Darren wrote:

--- Quote ---So with all this taken into account, it would seem absurb to restrict God to our timeline, because his creation itself, teachs us differently.
--- End quote ---
While I can understand this, we need to consider the Word of God first and then our interpretation of the creation second. I think some refer to this as "general revelation", things relating to the natural world. General revelation should never have precedence over the Scriptures.
With a bit of research I've found that science and the Scriptures actually fit together rather well, way better than the unscientific theory of evolution, it just takes time to go through it all.

Peace to you all.
Andrevan.

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