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Jesus coming out of the Father means that Christ was created by God ?
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: mari_et_pere on May 31, 2007, 09:29:10 AM ---Hmm....how do I state this? Imagine a corporation. I'll call it He. It's God. Now, the corporation needs a sort of spokesman, or whatever to fill some certain responsibilities. So part of the corporation COMES OUT OF ITSELF and calls itself Jesus. Or should say He sends part of itself out. Is this maybe a good analogy? Maybe not..........now I've gone and confused myself again! ::) I blame mrsnacks. ;D :) ;)
Matt
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Don't blame me, I didn't write the Book. ;D
skydreamers:
This really is a crazy bunch....thank God for humor...I needed this today ;)
Luv ya all with sisterly love in Christ....
Peace,
Diana
jER:
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;D :-* :o
;D 8) :)
Yes, Diana - they are, and smart too!
And, as Pera would say, with "muchLuv." ;)
- Jer
gzeigler:
Prior to the conference I never considered Jesus in his begotten condition. However, I always wondered about him 'being God'. I now understand that god is a position more so than a person. I like what Ray said, that is, Jesus must have qualified for the title, position, moniker of 'God' in the past and walks in the honor, glory and power that position contains. Jesus is busier in the bible than I thought!
Check out these scriptures...
John 1:14 ...(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father)...
John 1:18 ...the only begotten son, which is in the Father's bosom...
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son...
Acts 13:33 ..."Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee"... (also Heb 1:5)
1John 4:9 ...because that God sent his only begotten son into the world,...
It gets rather exciting when one goes back to Psalm 2 and reads verses 6-9.
Now I understand why Satan tried to tempt Jesus with all the kingdoms of the world... Psalms 2:8
Grace and peace
gtz
Robert:
I have been recently studying Ray’s refutation of the Trinity Doctrine, and your question is pertinent to this. It is logical to assume that a father is older than his son, and remembers his birthday. It is therefore reasonable conjecture that The Father was at one time alone, until He begat His Son, Jesus. The difficulty comes when we are confronted with eternal Son. Does this mean from the point of His birth that He is eternal? I think not, because that by definition isn’t eternal, as in having no beginning or end.
I think the problem is that we are subject to time, and time is a scientific concept that is ONLY relevant to physical creation. Time is dependent on speed and gravity, both part of atomic structure.
Try and write a statement about God being alone and then bringing forth a son so then there were two, without using any words that pertain to time. I have found it is not possible. Even saying prior to creation is a contradictory statement. We are only left with a philosophical conjecture that God is a state of being.
But further to this, given that Christ is of The Father, He was begotten of what God is, and that is Spirit. An analogy could be that we are of our parents, in that our blood, characteristics, and likeness is of them. And although we have a recorded birthday, we are also of the human race, which goes back to Adam. So our being has a recorded birthday yet also shares the birthday of Adam. Therefore we could conclude that everything that Christ is of, is eternal, with no beginning.
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