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Jesus coming out of the Father means that Christ was created by God ?
Kat:
Hi Robert,
--- Quote ---The difficulty comes when we are confronted with eternal Son. Does this mean from the point of His birth that He is eternal? I think not, because that by definition isn’t eternal, as in having no beginning or end.
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In this statement, you say the difficulty come with eternal Son. It would be helpful if you would show which scripture you were referring to on this.
The word 'eternal' used in scripture usually means aion/age.
This is an interesting scripture.
Rev 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Hi Robert,
You wrote: "Even saying prior to creation is a contradictory statement. We are only left with a philosophical conjecture that God is a state of being."
This is an interesting statement. :)
"Prior to Creation" can only be contradictory if one takes this creation as the absolute beginning. Yet, the term itself implies that it the beginning cannot mean anything other than "the" creation. Creation of what?
This universe! :D
Are you suggesting that God may not have created more than one universe? Could it not be possible that there are as many universes as grains of sand? Of course it could and certainly not unlikely, because surely the number of grains of sand is finite, yet God himself is not.
However, you do bring up a great point, and it has a lot to do with the creation of the universe we know, in six days.
If there is no time outside of creation, then God cannot exist prior to our creation, because without time, then can be no beginning? Right? ;D
No! :)
Titus 1:2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
But He did exist, and therefore is NOT reliant on speed or gravity. Time is relative, God the Father is Eternal.
I had a little fun with this, please do not take offense. :)
Yours in Christ,
Darren
mrsnacks:
God is love right. But doesn't love exist only between at least two people or beings. God cannot be love if He is just one person. Isn't love a relationship ? I hope you understand what I am trying to say here. If God the Father is by Himself without the Son then how can God love ? Or express His love. Does this make sense or am I one sandwich short of a picnic. ???
gmik:
What if you were looking down at an ant hill and wanted to help them. So you yelled at them how to build a better one. Of course, they took no mind of you at all. So you make a bette one next to theirs and hope they get the hint. No?? How do we communicate our desire to help the ants? Only one way. We must become an ant so we can talk to them.
mari_et_pere:
--- Quote ---God is love right. But doesn't love exist only between at least two people or beings. God cannot be love if He is just one person. Isn't love a relationship ? I hope you understand what I am trying to say here. If God the Father is by Himself without the Son then how can God love ? Or express His love. Does this make sense or am I one sandwich short of a picnic.
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Snacks, no offense, but I gotta 100% disagree with ya. God loves us, no doubt. But do all men love Him? Heck no some absolutely hate Him. There's no two-way relationship there.
What about the dysfunctional teen like I once was? Their parents love them dearly, but they feel nothing but disdain for their parents. Once again, love street is one way.
I have an adopted cousin who went missing many years ago. His parents love him but there is zero relationship there.
I see what you're getting at, but I just wanted to say I think God's love isn't dependent on wether He has a son or not, or a relationship with that son. Just my two cents.
Matt
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