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Christ's death and his spirit
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: CIY ---If by your reasoning man cannot have the fulness of God because he must come through Christ then I guess woman cannot have the fulness of Christ because she must come through man. I am partly joking but as I write this that scripture is really worth pondering.
--- End quote ---
CIY,
There is an 'order' to things.... God (the Father) >> Christ>> man >> woman.
Christ through God, man through Christ, woman through man (with the woman being saved through childbearing... in a sense man through woman).
Woman must come through man, but man must also come through woman. For this reason, woman is saved in child bearing. :wink:
Christ is the "door" for both.
In the beginning God made them male and female.... but through Christ there is no male and female; we are ONE (just as Christ is ONE with His Father).
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.[/list:u]
We no longer know Christ after the flesh, but in the SPIRIT, if it so be that the HOLY Spirit (Father AND Son - ONE GOD) dwelleth IN US.
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;[/list:u]
We are no longer "male and female", but ONE in spirit. All part of ONE BODY.
God's Word has returned unto Him... and all things are being made NEW.
Jesus Chirst is the SON of God, His WORD manifest in the FLESH. Which is also manifest in US (with the Father, for they are no longer 'separate' but ONE).
Jesus Christ is the name of a MAN, the SON of God. Not the name of the Father, who He came out of and returned to. There is only ONE God and that is the Father and His name is HOLY.
We no longer know Christ after the flesh, we can go straight to the Father in heaven, because that where Christ sits and where we can sit WITH 'them'.
I was not trying to argue... only point out that there is a distinction between the Father and the Son... and Christ is the Son, the name of a MAN - the name of the SON of God. To me, that has nothing to do with the glory that He had with the Father before the world was or the glory that He has with the Father now, or the glory that He will give us. We will all receive a NEW NAME.
But, in my opinion, Christ did not "become" the Father. He "came out from" the Father and He "returned to" the Father.
But I never said that they are not ONE. Even Christ said that He and His Father are ONE and that whoever has seen HIM (Christ, the SON) has seen THE FATHER (because He is the express image of the Father).
--- Quote ---He is and always was and always will be a quickening spirit.
--- End quote ---
I agree...
Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; [this is the Father] I dwell in the high and holy place, WITH HIM ALSO THAT IS of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. [/list:u]
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
May we all find ourselves abiding in the LIFE of Christ.
Blessings,
Chrissie
Michael A.:
That "flesh man" hanging on the cross is Jesus Christ, and believe me, he felt those "iron nails" and that "cat of nine tails" too.
The spiritual is NOT separate from the physical as many seem to think, but is directly connected and just above the physical.
Anyone who thinks that Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh, or suffer in the flesh or die in the flesh is deceived. Anyone who teaches you that is also leading you astray.
Don't let rebellious spirits masquerade under the guise of bringing you truth. The truth brings peace to the inner man, these contentious people do not have peace inside, they have turmoil, and that is not the work of the Spirit of God.
ciy:
Chrissiela you have really filled up on the Word. I think that is great. And I think we are all seeking the truth with all of our hearts. I am not arguing with anyone just discussing. I agree with you and that God is no respecter of persons. Never has been never will be. There has never been one flesh man above another.
Michael, I do not know if you are calling me contentious or not, I do not know why because I agree with your other posts. I know Christ has come in flesh because he has come in me.
It is written, for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Be blessed.
CIY
chrissiela:
I'm sorry, ciy, I wasn't arguing with you either. If it seemed that way, I apologize. I thought that Michael thought that I was arguing with him; that was what I was referring to. I should have been more clear.
You and I are here for the same reason... to share. And I can only share what has been revealed to me through my studies so far. If that helps someone else (which it sometimes does) than that is great. If it doesn't then that is fine too.
I know that I have been helped by what others have shared with me in the past so I, like you, am here just to share and discuss when I can or feel so lead.
Chrissie
Craig:
--- Quote ---If there is anyone else who wants to learn and grow and is teachable
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Michael will not be posting anymore. His beliefs on many subjects are not in line with Ray and Mikes teachings. And by the quote above he is not following the forum rules.
Craig
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