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Zade:
You're right, I didn't actually state the question, but I thought it was implied. There were two verses that appeared to contradict, and I was looking for someone to help me harmonize them. I think I understand now.

Many ARE called, but the Romans passage isn't talking about his regular callings. It's talking about a special calling, namely, the calling of those He predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son. This is referred to in Matthew as being "chosen"

Is that right?


 

Kat:

Hi Jade,

I glad you have joined us  :)

I think if you understand that there are a great many that are called, these would make up all whose confess that Jesus is the Lord.
But then you have a much smaller group that are the chosen to come to an understanding  of the truth.

2Th 2:13  But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, for that God chose you from the beginning unto salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

But there is a final requirement, and that is to be faithful to the end. 

Rev 17:14  These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."

I hope this helps.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

Beloved:
Zade I think I understand what you are asking but I am not sure I understand your use of the word calling (especially regular and special)

I really did not see the confusion because the way I saw it ....the chosen were called before they were actually chosen. You have to be on the team before you can picked to be a designated pitcher.   These were 'picked' at the time of creation that they would first to be conformed to the image of His son because the plan was that others would follow
 
(Rom 8:29 KJVR)  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

(Rom 8:30 KJVR)  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

In the long run the many called and the chose will be ALL in ALL and God will be glorified by these two groups. , In doing so they too will be glorified since while on earth they had been justified by the Faith of Christ.

The unsaved are not mentioned in this passage but we know that all will bow at the hearing of His name.

Rom 5:6  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 14:9  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Perhaps I am still misssing the point but I hope this helps


Beloved

skydreamers:
Hi Zade,


--- Quote ---Many ARE called, but the Romans passage isn't talking about his regular callings. It's talking about a special calling, namely, the calling of those He predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son. This is referred to in Matthew as being "chosen"

Is that right?
--- End quote ---

Yes, that how I see it also. :)

Peace,
Diana

seminole:
I just don't get it with this topic. Some new person came on and was talked down to; "read Ray's papers and then see what is right" or something like that??? Then the part about the forum not representing the views or whatever of Ray Smith and there are rules. We know there are rules. The forum does represent what Ray teaches because that is what you are allowed to talk about. What you learn from what he writes. It's not so hard to get that Jesus came, died for our sins, God calls us to repentance and acceptance of the sacrifice of His Son so we do or we turn our backs on God. Right?

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