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Being Called
Kat:
Hi seminole,
--- Quote ---It's not so hard to get that Jesus came, died for our sins, God calls us to repentance and acceptance of the sacrifice of His Son so we do or we turn our backs on God. Right?
--- End quote ---
This is the teaching from the church, that you accept or reject God of your own free will. Not what we believe here, Man has no free will, he is dragged to Christ by the Father.
Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws(drags) him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part A
http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part B
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-B.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part C
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part D
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-D.html
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
seminole:
I know that no one comes to repentance and acceptance without the Holy Spirit drawing them . That is no issue for me. There is a "call", "drawing", "tugging" , "pulling" of the Holy Spirit. They are all words however you choose to put it
carol70:
Seminole,
For me, being called out has opened up this insatiable desire in me to learn everything I can about God, his Word, and his Will, his TRUTH, not more heresy. I think it's important to understand the details, as best as God allows us to, to develop a discerning spirit, so that we can keep from being easily deceived.
Proverbs 15:14 The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.
Proverbs 18:15 The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out.
Isaiah 48:6 You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you.
Jeremiah 33:3 'Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.'
I think all of the topics presented here represent a godly desire for more knowledge and truth.
Love and peace,
Carol
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Seminole
Its me again. ;D :D
I will comment on your post in blue. You say:
I just don't get it with this topic.
Well that is evident because you take the topic to a entirely different discussion being.....
Some new person came on and was talked down to; "read Ray's papers
EXCUSE ME! Being DIRECTED TO STUDY RAYS PAPERS IS A PUT DOWN!!!!!! WOW!!!! So WHAT DO YOU THINK OF RAY???? Seminole it is a PRIVILAGE and SHORT CUT TO UNDERSTANDING to have ANYONE here point you to a teaching that Ray reveals for our edification!!!
and then see what is right" or something like that???
Well I guess that just shows the LOVE we have towards those who are seeking to understand. We all know that understanding comes from the Spirit of Christ but to hope that a brother and sister be blessed to see and comprehend is a desire of the heart for others to come to the freedom in comprehensive insight that we have arrived at! It is not arrogance but love and the desire to share in that wisdom and joy!
Then the part about the forum not representing the views or whatever of Ray Smith
Yes. There are definitely some posts that come on the Forum that DO NOT reflect what Ray teaches! That is precisely why the Forum exists! To allow us all to all exercise our spirits towards edification exhortation and encouragement!
and there are rules. We know there are rules. The forum does represent what Ray teaches because that is what you are allowed to talk about
Now why does that last comment sound to me like we are being MARSHALED or we have some sort of odious CURFUE here in secret agenda working in the underground of this Forum. Well THERE IS NO SUCH THING! If you OR ANYONE comes in here with heresy or blasphemy some of us will see red and respond!
As for rules they are here for the protection of all and they are to keep wolves out or at least have their comments wired against biting anyone! I do not think anyone has bitten you Seminole but heresy can not stand up in this Forum. We as a group simply know too much truth to allow for it to go unchecked!
What you learn from what he writes.
Hey I for one have not learnt everything from what Ray writes. Many here will attest to the fact that when reading Rays teachings a second third and forth time....things not seen in earlier readings become clearer! How many times have you STUDIED Rays teachings and felt like you know it all? Well take it from me who thought I did know it all...THAT is a sure sign you have missed the plot! :D
It's not so hard to get that Jesus came, died for our sins, God calls us to repentance and acceptance of the sacrifice of His Son so we do or we turn our backs on God. Right?
Wrong! You just missed the plot on the teaching on the Myth of Free Will! Try go figure that one again and perhaps you will not ever say that when GOD CALLS US TO REPENTANCE that we can ignore Him! When GOD calls NO ONE can ignore HIM! The point is that God Chooses and He decides who He will make into a vessel of honour and into a vessel of dishonor! Think about that for a few hundred hours and don't just toss away my advise and the sound direction given to you to believe that you have been put down. It took PRECIOUS TIME to write this to YOU!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
seminole:
Man , I am not speaking in disrespect of anybody here. I am simply saying what I believe. There is a whole society out here in trouble and Jesus could help all that's going on. I know we should study and read the Bible and if you think I don't ,well, you are wrong. I guess there are some who are "led to, dragged to, drawn to" study Greek and Hebrew but it is not me. Where I am we got kids getting raped and killed, women getting attacked all because of their race. The way I see it is if I can tell somebody about Jesus and they think about it even a little maybe they won't go out and shoot somebody else. It has been like a war zone here and Jesus is the answer to a lot of the problems. I went down to New Town the other day. I am not supposed to be in New Town because it's not in my "hood" but I went anyway. Just to try to bridge a little gap you know? I was standing in the middle of one group of one race and another group of another race. You think I was thinking" I wonder if I am saying this right according to greek, hebrew, whatever you use to do the word searches. Not a chance! I was only thinking " Jesus please intervene in this place so there will be no more blood shed on this day".
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