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Kat:

Hi Joe,

Very good thread. 
You have brought out points I had not considered before. 
God gave Israel many laws, but He also knew they would not be able to obey these law.  And this point that I had not been so much aware of, is He also knew that they would not carry not the penalty of the laws either.
So all in all it seems to be pointing to how everybody also, knows the commandments, ignores them, and then turns a blind eye to anyone else breaking the law too.  Which lead to complacency with sin.
Interesting.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

carol70:

--- Quote from: Kat on July 01, 2007, 08:37:06 AM ---
So all in all it seems to be pointing to how everybody also, knows the commandments, ignores them, and then turns a blind eye to anyone else breaking the law too.  Which lead to complacency with sin.
Interesting.


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Very interesting point indeed.  This often bothered me when I would go to church, the complacency of everyone's sin, and why no one ever seemed to do better, even with the threat of endless torment.  But then again, I guess everyone felt they were already "saved" and therefore, safe. 

It's interesting how many people get offended at the thought of having no free will and want to use it as an excuse to freely sin, when in reality, they're already freely sinning because they think they've already been saved!  Oh the carnal mind...

gmik:
Yep, the ole once saved always saved!!!

The church that I left last year has had the pastor arrested 3 times.  This last time he had to spend in jail.  Everyone there defends him and thinks they can overlook it bcz he is "such a good preacher".  My daughter still attends there and did tell me that from the pulpit he was not one bit repentant.-even- as most of the prosperity teachers are-cocky!!  He was way over the legal limit (urine test).

My daughters take is , hey, we all have a drink now and then, he just got caught!!!!  My take???  He had too much to drink and yes the police will pull over a weaving BENTLEY!!!!

OOOpss....is that gossip??  I was just trying to talk about Joes' point that we can't follow the law, or face the penalty when we get caught not following....  well, I hope you know what I mean.

indianabob:
Hey Gina,

Thanks for the information. Your daughter seems to be learning the 'hard way'.  Sorry.   ;)

Ministers, pastors, elders and deacons are to be carefully selected according to their demonstrated ability to keep their own selves and their family in order.  To exercise self control.  No where does the bible teach that a pastor or a deacon is just to know more scripture than anyone else in the congregation or to be an inspiring speaker so as to tickle the ears of the congregation.

If a pastor is to become in the future a judge and counselor of people needing correction to improve their life and find happiness, he needs first to govern himself.  I have nothing against having an alcoholic drink, but where is the concern for other human beings who may be on the road while the pastor is driving home.  As Paul taught us, we need to consider how our conduct will be interpreted by the observer when we decide on a certain course of action.

Thank you for the example and keep up the good work.

P.s. I never would have guessed that you had a daughter old enough to drink.

Regards, Bob from Nashville conference

hillsbororiver:
These words and actions by some in the clergy does not go unnoticed by our true Shepherd;

Eze 34:5  And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.

Eze 34:8  As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

Zec 11:15  And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

Zec 11:17  Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Joe

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