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hillsbororiver:
Thank you Arcturus & jER for your thoughts and comments!


--- Quote from: DuluthGA on July 08, 2007, 08:51:57 PM ---
I agree a lot is missed if just 'mystery or secret' is used; it sort of gives the idea that the matter will always be cloudy or we just won't know until we know.  But ah ha!  WE DO KNOW NOW, DON'T WE!!!  ;)


--- End quote ---

Hi Janice,

Yes we do, and it is the Lord personally revealing these secrets, how awesome is that? You summed it up very well with your above quote.

Thanks!

His Peace to you,

Joe

hillsbororiver:
Hello Everyone,

In some private conversations with a few members we have looked into this subject a bit further and this is more of what we found;

In the OT even the KJV does not contain the word "mystery" if ever it were to be used you would think it would be in the OT as God had not revealed Himself through Christ in the flesh yet. But it is true, do a word search on E-sword, no mystery!

We do however have "secret" in many places as well as "secrets."

Look at Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar;

Dan 2:28  But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

Dan 2:29  As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

Dan 2:47  The king answered unto Daniel and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

I would think this dream was a "mystery" if there ever was one but the truth is our God is not a God of mystery but of revelation! Of course He is the One who decides when and where and who these revelations take place with.

Can you see Daniel as a type of the elect here? Being used by God to open up the eyes of those in the 2nd resurrection who do not yet know the Living God?

Here are a few more verses;

Deu 29:29  The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Job 15:8  Hast thou heard the secret of God? and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

Psa 25:14  The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will show them his covenant.

Pro 3:32  For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.

Amo 3:7  Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Pretty powerful stuff, I think all of us have felt privileged at one time or another when a family member or a respected friend or even a person who has power over us in the earthly sense (teacher, superior at work, boss, etc.) has let us in on a secret, how much more so that the Creator of the Universe has let you in on His plan and purpose for you and all mankind?

His Peace to you,

Joe

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe

You quote  : Job 15:8  Hast thou heard the secret of God? and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

I see the second witness here in Luke.

Luke 12:48 But he who DID NOT KNOW and did the things worthy of a beating shall be beaten with few lashes. For everyone to whom much is given ( is the MUCH here referring to WISDOM perhaps?) of him shall MUCH be required ( the MUCH REQUIRED here…could this mean the endurance against persecution and suffering for being slated as the wise guy or gal?rejection, envy and harm levelled against those who do know better and then what about severe trials that humble us or “splinters in the flesh” that Paul experienced to keep him balanced? Ref http://bible-truths.com/splinter.html  I think so!)

Joe you note : our God is not a God of mystery but of revelation!

To take that view deeper we could say our God is a God of transcendence.

Ray notes : Paul’s privilege in revelations was so high (maybe almost too high) that God had to answer this exaltation with the opposite of "transcendence." Something that will humble him. Something "excessive." Something that is almost "too much." Inordinately!
God’s answer and remedy to "transcendence" is "inordinately."
Here’s proof: The word "transcendence" and the word "inordinately" are both translated from the same Greek word, "[h]uper bal’lo"!  http://bible-truths.com/splinter.html 

Would this not confirm the much required to whom the much is given as demonstrated in the life of Paul? I think yes.

As you say Joe in reference to the dream of the King : I would think this dream was a "mystery"

Could THAT observation ALSO relate to the Parable's that were spoken by Jesus to the multitudes? They were not seen as mysteries. They were considered to be understood by many who did not receive or understand that the words spoken are Spirit. The dream was not understood either yet it was received just as the parables were. Did that make it a mystery or a SECRET? I think the dream was like the parable...a mystery or was it a SECRET, because the secret/revelation was not shown or disclosed yet?  It was not at the point of REVELATION or Transcendence was it? Neither were the Parables! The Parables revealed nothing! We know this much. The Words Jesus spoke were Spirit and the carnal mind can not hear or see or know the Spirit for it is at enmity and deep seated hatred against the Spirit.

So, for me The Revelation is for US who see and hear what they did not see or hear and to whom Christ is making Himself seen and known!
 
Does true revelation bring transcendence? Is that the Hallmark? TRANSCENDENCE and buffetting by the messengers of Satan to keep us balanced through trials? I think it is! Jesus has overcome the world. Those who will know Him will have overcome, transcended the world too by His Spirit.

To support this observation, consider the following.

Ecc 3: 11 A New Translation by James Mottatt. Ref LOF 15C  “He assigned each its proper time, but for the MIND OF MAN (would this be the CARNAL mind? ) He has appointed MYSTERY...

Ray notes : Next notice the last verse of the last chapter in Ecclesiastes:
“For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil” (Ecc. 12:14).
The word translated “secret” here is the Hebrew word alam. And here is what we read in Strong’s: #5956; a prim. root; to veil from sight, i.e. conceal.”
The first definition of #5760, olam is concealed; and #5760, olam is taken from #5956, alam and its definition is veil or conceal.
I went through this slightly technical explanation to prove to you the real meaning of this verse. The understanding of this verse will greatly assist our understanding of the Sovereignty of God and man’s absence of anything akin to a “free will” which could operate independently from God.
Let’s read the last version of this verse again:
“He [God] has made everything fitting [not ‘beautiful’] in its season; However, He has put obscurity in their heart so that the man may NOT find out His work, that which God does.”  (Ecc. 3:11).
So God has made everything that there is (even though much of it is evil, ugly, and NOT ‘beautiful,’) fitting, proper, appropriate, and suited for its own season, “but” or “however”—here comes a counter proposal, if you will. So God makes EVERYTHING proper and appropriate for His plan, however…. BUT, “…He has put OBSCURITY in their hearts…” so that, or in order that, they CANNOT know or understand what it is that He is doing to them in this human existence we call “life.” What a spiritual revelation! http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

LittleBear:
I love this parable of Daniel and King Nebuchadnezzar. It is a sacred secret that God is revealing to His elect.

Joe, you ask the question, can you see Daniel as a type of elect here? Yes! Yes I can! I see King Nebuchadnezzar as a type of the rest of humanity that will be brought to the knowledge of God, through His Chosen ones.

I think in Daniel, God is revealing how He does this. There was no effort on Daniel's part in learning the interpretation of the king's dreams. God simply revealed it to him.

Dan 2:19 Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in a night vision.

God reveals His secrets to His elect in all sorts of ways. When I read, say the Lake of Fire series, Ray outlines things so simply, I sometimes sit back, and wonder why I never saw these things before. Sacred secrets revealed!

When you read the process that God used to humble King Nebuchadnezzar, it is a type of thing that God will do for every individual in the 2nd ressurection.  It was painful and humiliating. At the end of it all, King Neb praised and honoured God, and knew Him.

The last line in Dan chapter 4, King Neb says, "And those who walk in pride He is able to humble." He learned this from his own personal refining process.

This is all SO wonderful!

Ursula

rick:
Hey guys, I must say this is one of the best threads I have ever read since joining the forum. thanks for all the insight and may God continue to bless you with His unveiling.................rick

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