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pylady:
In a recent post John 6:63 was quoted:  "The flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that quickens."I 'm wondering if any of you know if Ray ever wrote on the meaning of this word.  Tried to research it but didn't find what I was looking for.  (I confess I didn't look at all the posts there are so many, and don't see any way to research on the bible-truths site)

Here's what I found in Strong's and where my confusion lies.
The Gr word translated spirit, except a very few instances, is #4151, pneuma, a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze, from #4154 pneo, a prim word: to breathe hard i.e. breeze-blow.

This Gr word seems to correspond  to the Hebrew word #7307 from #7306 ruwech, a prim root; prop to blow i.e. breathe.  We can see this correspondence in Luke 4:18,19 where Jesus quoted Is 61:1,2.

My confusion comes from the fact that this Hebrew word is translated "spirit", but is also often translated breathe.  ???

What confuses me even more is Gen 2:7
"Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being."

Breath is translated from the Hebr word #5397 neshamah, a puff i.e. wind, anger or vital breath from #5395 nasham a prim root; prop, to blow away i.e. destroy.  ??? ???

My questions 1.  Why in Gen2:7 does God not breath into Adam breath #7307, but, instead breaths into Adam breath #5397, whose primary root means to blow away or destroy?  Is this showing us that God's purpose in creating Adam with a carnal body was to destroy it?  Physical to spiritual?

2.  Why do the scriptures use the same word to mean spirit and also to mean
     breath, or breeze or puff of air? 

Ever since I read that post that quoted John 6:6 I have not been able to get the word "spirit" out of my mind.  But it seems the more study it the more elusive it gets - that is, as far as being able to wrap my mind around what spirit is!

I know we will understand what spirit is when God is ready to reveal it to us.  Yet I seem to be getting a "nudge" to ask these questions!!!

Does anyone have any thoughts on these questions, or know if Ray has written anything? 

   With Christian Love,

         Cindy  :)

hillsbororiver:
Hi Cindy,

You hit the nail on the head when you wrote about Adam and the fact that this flesh was designed to be temporary, to eventually be destroyed, giving way to an incorruptable, immortal body.

The reason scripture uses the same word for breath and spirit in these cases is that they are one and the same, it is the Spirit of God which gives life, gives life to man and beast, His breath is the catalyst to creation of the universe and to the life of all living things. Remember everything was spoken, was breathed into existence.

His Peace to you Sister,

Joe

jerreye:
The way I look at it, is to think of the spirit as "POWER". The spirit is POWER and it can give life AND death. It can heal someone, it can cast out devils...it can do all sorts of things. It isn't LITERAL "breath", but is LIKE breath, in certain ways. I liken the spirit to the energy that comes from a wall-socket that makes all of my appliances at home "ALIVE". This is just the way I see it.

Jer

M_Oliver:
Cindy!,

Finally, I am not the only one wondering about this :).  At or about 18 to 24 months ago I discovered this message board AFTER I had read and read and read bible-truths.com.  For some reason I never noticed the link :).  Anyhow, when I first got here I was loaded for bear on this very subject even though I was recieving everything Ray was teaching.  Unfortunately I was a little to abrasive and I have never been well recieved here ever since.  No hard feelings, I made my own bed.

But my point is YES, I know what you are talking about.  God steered me into this study too.  I just can't let it go.  It seems like if I could just figure it out I would discover some great treasure in His Word.  And to answer your question, no, Ray has not been lead to study this subject the way we see it.  He is on record regarding spirit, soul etc.  and doesn't question the modern definition from what I can see.  He does however expose christendom's contradictions regarding these mainstream translations.

My point is that spirit and soul are just as corrupt as hell.  The modern definition of spirit and soul is VERY FAR FROM it's original of breath, blast, current of air etc., etc.  It is the same damn principle that exposes "hell" but nobody seems to care.  Right or wrong in believing in this study, know you are not the only one.

Mark






 

iris:
Hi Mark,

I read your post several times, and I'm still not sure what your talking about.
Would you explain this a little more?


Iris

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