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Are the OT and NT stories about all of us ?
mrsnacks:
Yes it does. Thanks Kat. I see it to that the church years were actually my years in the wilderness. I like what you said about we are not saved during this life. Why is it that Christendom teaches us that once we do the sinners prayer it is a done deal and we are saved ? I think it produces laziness in us. Like getting a gold medal before we run the race.
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
Rev 18:23 "... and all nations were deceived by your sorcery."
It is a part of God's plan and purpose that 'all' shall be deceived in this world. The sinners pray is just another one of the ways that people are deceived. This world is very complicated and intricate, God had made it a very elaborate place for teaching ground for good and evil, because the whole world must go through an evil experience here.
Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens:it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
It is depressing to know all must suffer here now. But we also can consider, once we are at one with God, it will be a glorious experience for then on. And this life is but a vapour. This evil experience is really very very short in the scheme of things.
James 4:14 who do not know of the morrow. For what is your life? For it is a vapor, which appears for a little time, and then disappears.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---What makes me think that this is the truth, when I thought I had it before. The scriptures prove it to me. Before I went along with all the church doctrines, I thought since I could not understand the scripture, I had to have the church teach me to obey.
Now I can and do prove it to myself by the scripture. True Ray does teach me so much, but I understand what I see in the scripture and I can find proofs for myself as well. Everything fits together in the scripture, nothing I can find contradicts.
--- End quote ---
Hi Kat,
What you said above really struck a chord with me. Before finding BT I had already been out of the church (SDA) for a couple of years. But I still firmly believed that keeping the 7th day Sabbath and annihilation of the wicked was the truth. I thought that they (the SDA church) had proven that through scripture. I didn't realize that I was taking their word for it, because I didn't truly study it for myself using the scriptures alone and not the church writings. Oh yes, they used some compelling scriptures, as many churches do to prove their doctrines. But when you consider the "sum of God's word" and pay attention to all the words, and compare scripture after scripture...well, a different picture emerged than what I was taught.
Initially there was a time after discovering the truth that the adversary tried to convince me that I was crazy for believing this stuff. I didn't have church members calling me a heretic, instead I was doing it to myself! But the power of God's voice was always stronger and I submitted to that, and true to the scriptures, the devil did flee.
I am grateful for all the wonderful truths that Ray shows us, but what I cherish more, is that through the way he teaches I have learned to study the scriptures for myself...albeit, not with the same insight Ray has been gifted with as his spiritual maturity is way beyond me...but in my own little world God graciously gives me small bits of understanding that spurs me on to further study...and as you said Kat, it is a joy to see what we've been taught here proven by countless other scriptures! The bible really does start to harmonize in a way I have never seen before. It's a beautiful thing. And of course, all praise and glory goes to God who is the true teacher behind all of this!
And posts like yours confirm for me that I really am in the right place at this point in my life.
Much respect and luv to ya,
Peace,
Diana
ciy:
I find great comfort in the knowledge that what I am going through now outside of the church (Egypt, Bablyon, etc) is the wilderness. Just as Abraham, Jacob, Moses, etc had to leave the comforts of the world system that they knew and go out away into an unknown area alone to have the wilderness experience (So that God can speak to you directly through the stars or where you wrestle with God until you know Him). Once you are in the wilderness you will be tried and tempted to return to Egypt or the world just as the Israelites were in Exodus, but that is the time when you learn of God to rely and believe on Him for your well being and not a church and its members.
Moses was learned in all the wisdom of Egypt and then he left and went into the wilderness where he found out about God. David had to leave Saul and spend years in caves. Joseph spent years in prison. John spent all of his years in the wilderness until he met and learned of Jesus. Jesus spent his time in the wilderness as did Paul for 13 years in Arabia. It is this experience when you are seeking God alone and just depending on His voice that you draw closer until you become one.
Acts 7:36-38
35This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
36He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
37This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
Like Ray said salvation is the hardest thing you will ever do in this age. The siren song of the daughters of Bablyon will always be calling to you to come back into the church for comfort, but it is where you will run aground and sink on the rocks.
God's ways are not our ways but they are awesome ways.
CIY
LittleBear:
CIY,
What can I say. I have to agree with you. What I am going thru now is the wilderness too. You are so right! I feel like a child, or an infant rather, learning to walk, weaving here and there, falling, getting up, falling again, up again. And I know this wilderness will be lasting for some time. In the flesh, I find this tribulation overwhelming, but in the spirit, I thank Him with all my heart because I want so much to be conformed to His image, to be like Him!
Love,
Ursula
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