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Are the OT and NT stories about all of us ?
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
I believe all the elect start out in the church and at some point while there, they sincerely think they have found Jesus. This is likened to first love.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.
v. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"
This is the beast that is wounded at first, but is healed by the church. As I see it, this is the falling away part. Those years whether in the church or leaving and going back out into the world. We have not yet been given the Holy Spirit and our eyes are not yet opened. We do not know the truth and we are still in Babylon. But God is leading us all the way and I think He is preparing us during this time, in the things we experience, to be ready to recieve the Truth, according to the appointed time.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
This is only possible when we recieve the Holy Spirit, only Christ indwelling can gain victory over the beast.
1Cor 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 09, 2007, 01:28:30 PM ---Hi mrsnacks,
I believe all the elect start out in the church and at some point while there, they sincerely think they have found Jesus. This is likened to first love.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.
v. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"
This is the beast that is wounded at first, but is healed by the church. As I see it, this is the falling away part. Those years whether in the church or leaving and going back out into the world. We have not yet been given the Holy Spirit and our eyes are not yet opened. We do not know the truth and we are still in Babylon. But God is leading us all the way and I think He is preparing us during this time, in the things we experience, to be ready to recieve the Truth, according to the appointed time.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
This is only possible when we recieve the Holy Spirit, only Christ indwelling can gain victory over the beast.
1Cor 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Thanks Kat. So the poison that has been fed to the many from the pulpit when one becomes a Christian is that you are in and saved by the 45 second sinners prayer. And the rest from that point is God leading you to truth. You say that at beginning you think you have found Jesus and really didn't find Him ? Can you expand on that ?
The thing with me is that in my many years as a Christian I thought I was growing in the knowledge and understanding of my Lord coming about with much prayer and seeking. Plus taking many courses and buying and reading books by scholarly Christians etc. Then one day the vehicle I was in all of a sudden started to go in reverse. Taking me in a different direction. Going back to where I started and unlearning mostly all what I have been taught and learning new truths. I don't hold to hardly anything I used to hold to.
I fell into a slight depression today. I was pondering the complete turnaround I have gone through and coming from a point where I honestly thought I was dead right about so many things before. I then had this strange thought of what if I am wrong again. You check out so many sincere believers that are so right about certain doctrines and miss the mark on others. That can be any of us.
mrsnacks:
SORRY but Ray does takes on these subjects all through out his many, many articles.
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Ray may have but I want to hear from others. Most of what goes on in the forums I have noticed been covered by his articles but iron sharpens iron .And that is why this is a forum so all can contribute and I desire to bounce things off of everyone here. Hope you don't mind.
Craig:
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. "
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
When I started going to church as a young adult, after an absents of a number of years. I really thought I had found the right one, that they had the truth. I asked to be baptisted and committed myself as much as I could. This I believe was my first love. At the time, I thought I had found God, I thought Jesus had saved me. But now I can look back and see, I did not have the truth, but I stayed there in church worshipping a false Jesus and serving doctrines of man. I was not growing in the truth at all, though I thought I was. I was not saved, no one is in this life. To me those years were the falling away. I was in the church in the wilderness for 25 long years. Thought I was spiritually blind, God was teaching me a lot of important lesson, maybe mostly an experience of evil :-\
Then God, at His appointed time brought me to BT, opened my eyes, and I was freed from my church prison. Have I been begotten from above, with the Holy Spirit, it feels like it. I am learning new truths daily, the scriptures have come alive, I no longer struggle with certain sins, like anger and materializm, not that I do not sin, by no means, but I don't think sin reigns in my life either. Am I assured of the first resurrection, of course not, but I am going to continue to strive for it, who could hope for more.
What makes me think that this is the truth, when I thought I had it before. The scriptures prove it to me. Before I went along with all the church doctrines, I thought since I could not understand the scripture, I had to have the church teach me.
Now I can and do prove it to myself, by the scripture. True Ray does teach me so much, but I understand what I see in the scripture and I can find proofs for myself as well. Everything fits together in the scripture, nothing I can find contradicts. And Ray comes up with new stuff in the scripture all the time, so I continue to learn and grow.
Hope this helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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