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I have a question for you all
Shmeggly:
I used to look at things differently; it's amazing what being humbled can do for you!
I know homosexuality used to be focused on in our church....along with more "obvious" sins. Which now bothers me. The "church" in general really lasers in on it, along with abortion. (How about gossip, slander, hatred etc)
What would Jesus Do? (I'm sorry but I hate that "buzzword" saying....) but it applies here.
He didn't rail against people's sin, or hold rallies, or say we should assasinate the head of the Roman Gov't!!! He loved people, healed them, fed them, and they KNEW He cared....He came to SAVE us...
Anyway....sin is sin is sin....and yes, sexual sins are mentioned as different, but that has to do with the effect on us. God is not more "horrified" by it....
What I'm trying to say, is, whether you struggle with adultery, homosexuality, over eating (gluttony) , or anything you feel in bondage to and can't seem to stop, I FEEL for you!!! I know what it's like....
Steve, take off your asbestos hat and coat, and receive a brotherly hug from Shmeggly! I may not agree with everything you said, (just because I can't think too clearly to debate/read-T3's again for pain!) but you are loved.
On our own we can't do anything....God is the one who does it for us. I TRIED for years to quit one thing or the other, and you know, it never worked. God did not deliver me miraculously like so many peole you hear about, nor did I seem to have the power to overcome. But I believe in His time He changes people....I prayed for YEARS to change, to be different....well let me tell you, I am changing, and I am different, but it is through an incredibly PAINFUL trial that this has come about....so....
The only thing is, there is consequence for sin, and sometimes it doesn't seem like it, but it does find you. What I'm trying to say, is that I do agree with alot of what you said, but don't quit praying for God to change your life. And that you are in the same boat as all of us! No better, no worse....just loved, accepted, and important in God's eyes....and He wants what's best for you, just like I do....
Take care, and be at peace....James
Sorin:
Hi Diana,
Firstly, there's no need to apologize. I did indeed say "any post is welcomed" and I meant it. I was simply stating a fact by saying that the thread has strayed. But it doesn't matter, at least we're all discussing.
About the smoking thing, I'm in the same boat as your husband. I've tried to quit many times, and I just can't do it. Kind of like a homosexual who tries to be attracted to females, and he just can't do it. Yes, I believe there are some that are born that way, but not all.
Homosexuality has become acceptable now, trendy even, and the media doesn't portray it as anything but "good" without any of the negative things that I had previously posted.
Take care,
Sorin
musicman:
Regardless of whether every homosexual is born that way or not, I can guarantee that no one chooses this perversion. I applaud Steve for staying celibate for five years. While this doesn't cancel out the sin of lust, it is a clear sign that God is working with him. I've known homosexuals who attend church and state that it's OK if you're in love with your partner. Ummmm, no, not really. But regardless, there are much worse ways to sin. Steve, you're not a necrophiliac, a pedophile, (what are those people who like the animals? You know, the bestiality people) or any number of philos that are more condemnable than being homosexual. Just leave it in God's hands and try to live according to the spirit. I'm sure Christ cured some homosexuals during his ministry.
carol70:
I guess one of the problems that people have with homosexuality is the way society has become so accepting of it. But it's no different from any other sin, right? At least that's what I get from Romans 1:
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:
Rom 1:21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:
Rom 1:25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.
If you look at the long list of sins above, homosexuality is no worse than being disobedient to your parents.
Being born blind may not be normal, but blind people are not persecuted the way homosexuals are. And no, being blind isn't a sin. But murderers aren't persecuted the way homosexuals are either. In fact, many people feel justified in murdering homosexuals for THEIR perversion! Now explain that to me, how a murderer's perversion is more accepting than a homosexual's? ???
Just some thoughts that came to me.
jER:
"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope..."
...So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but what is unseen.
In His Love,
-jER
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