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I have a question for you all
Kat:
I have no problem being friendly to homosexuals, I do not think of them less than others. But as Sorin said there are many dreadful physically consequences for that sin.
1Co 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.
Nobody gets away with anything, all will have to give account for there sins.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight, but all things are naked and opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.
Rom 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
I think most all know this to be a sin, but I do not need to judge anyone of this sin, God does that.
Heb 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
musicman:
This reminds me. . . . . .(why am I still awake), Oh yea, Speaking of the health risks of two males having sex puts it in perspective with say, adultry. Now, adultry is obviously unhealthy with all of the sexully transmitted diseases out there. But to males having sex is far more dangerous. It is very easy for toxic seamen to make its' way into the blood stream through this type of activity. Therefore, this alone might make it a greater bodily sin than heterosexual promiscuity. Of course, men often do the same thing with wommen. Just a thought.
Sorin:
Could all the many diseases associated with homosexual activity be due to God's sexual creation for the human species? God intended, and created us male and female for a reason. God also wants two people to get married, and then start having sex with each other and create babies. Now, what I am trying to say is, could all these many sexually transmitted diseases be God's way of punishing those who go against His rules and intent for sexual activity, and the purpose of it? I'm sure no scientist would agree, but they still think we evolved from apes; so what do they know?
Just my thoughts,
Sorin
steve:
I should know not to speak so generally as I did when I said homosexuality was normal. An earlier poster said she thought it wasn't normal. I construe normal to mean average, typical, expected, and following a pattern. Abnormal would mean unexpected. About 4 % of the population are redheads. Because red hair is the least common color doesn't mean it is abnormal. It would be the least expected color, but you cannot say it is unexpected. Therefore it is normal. Homosexuals also are a small part of the population, but I cannot say unexpected, so that is why I said normal. I think when Jackie Lee said she didn't think it was normal that wasn't what she meant anyway. I think she was just saying it didn't sit well with her. I could have probably saved myself some trouble if I had understood that the first time I read it.
I didn't say that most animals are homosexual. I said it was natural behavior, meaning again, expected.
It does look to me like God created us with a different plan in mind than what was going on when He made all the creatures. He gave a model of what he wanted for us, and would punish us if we chose otherwise. I don't see where the creatures are held accountable to their actions as we are. Some animals engage in homosexual behavior when the opportunity arises, just as they engage in heterosexual behavior when the opportunity arises. God hasn't said anything to us about what he expects from them. In the OT he did say that if a man laid with a man he should be put to death. He said if a man laid with a beast, both should be put to death. He said nothing that I have found about what happens when a beast lays down with a beast. It is natural that they act like beasts to me.
I think Diana has brought up something important here. Sin is sin is sin, but sexual immorality has the added problem of sinning against your own body. When God gave us a model to be a man and a woman faithfully married to each other he kept us from the risk of the many dreadful diseases that come with all sexual immorality.
Sorin, please do not feel sorry for me. I do not like my position one bit. His purpose for what I am completely escapes me. Regardless of that I will trust Him that His will, will be done.
Steve
Ward:
Sorin:
I will *attempt* to share my opinion on this question:
--- Quote ---Not that I am defending it, nor am I gay. But I want to know, why is homosexuality wrong (in your opinion/fact etc...). I mean other then The Bible/God's Word saying it's wrong, and an abomination etc...
What I mean is, can you give me a reason without referring to God, why homosexuality is wrong?
I can think of a few, but I'll let you guys answer first.
--- End quote ---
Can I give you any answer "...without referring to God..."? Absolutely not! Before God gave me the Law I didn't know what was good or bad. So my answers have to refer to God.
"...why homosexuality is wrong?" - This is what I think now... Note, it could be changed in the future.
What is sex for period? Sure, many would declare that it is for procreation. That's part of it for sure, but not a big part of it. God clearly let's us know thru Paul's letters that it would be optimal for each of us never to get married and thus have sex.
Sex is an example like everything else we experience in this age, directly or indirectly. It is the physical way we come together and become one.
We are to become one within a marriage. Marriage is becoming one. And there is order to marriage, the husband is to be the head. (Yes, I know most don't. But that doesn't change anything.)
Marriage is an example, too. We, the church, will marry Christ Jesus. An earthly marriage that follows God's instructions is an example and prepares us for being Christ's bride.
Now where does that leave homosexuality? Well... Instead of a Husband and a Wife, we have either a Husband and Husband or a Wife and a Wife. Instead of one head we have 2 or none. Neither work. Neither is our example.
That's my thoughts on this in a nutshell. There is more, but that's the basics.
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On a side note... I've heard many people in my life time speak about the evils of homosexuality. That AIDS and other STDs are Gods punishments for this.
While I can't provide you with scripture to back this up... I doubt this. AIDs and STDs don't get spread by homosexual behavior any more or less than heterosexual behavior. They get spread by not having monogamous sexual behavior, i.e. adultery and fornication.
You know... I find the focus on homosexual sin interesting. There's not much homosexual sin when compared to heterosexual sins. Yes, its still wrong. Still against God's example. But, isn't it interesting to see how much attention that is given to homosexuality and how very little is given to adultery, fornication, and lust. By the way, considering what I said about marriage and sex being an example. What are adultery and fornication examples of? It comes right back to the marriage of the church to Christ Jesus again.
Example after example after example... Good and Bad examples everywhere.
Sexual sins of all kinds have to be examples... After all, after this earthly life we will be like the Angels. They do not marry. And so they do not....
I'll stop for now,
\/\/ard
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