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Need some help with this please scholars!
Laren:
--- Quote from: EZE ---Hey there Ertsky.
Thanks for going to the trouble of replying but it doesn't exactly help me.
I've already quoted a mountain of scriptures with the Gk Apollumi as lost in there to him.
I also pointed out that the Gk word Katargeo is used in reference to God destroying death but never used in relation to humankind.
His beef is that if those who are *lost* are in the 'fires of Gehenna' or 'lake of fire', then why is death and Hades also in there?
Will they also come out purified?
That is his argument and I can see his point to a certain extent.
Does that make sense?
EZE
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Not sure how Gehenna versus LOF relate, but something i've been thinking on re: LOF.
This doesn't go along with totally what Ray teaches, but is something i've been thinking about. Maybe what goes into the lake of fire doesn't ever come out, maybe it is destroyed forever; The carnal mind is thrown into it and dies. I don't think the lake of fire is to convert the carnal mind, it is to destroy it.
Just as the in Jesus earthly times, the demon possessed had their demons removed (ie:thrown into the pigs, and the pigs went over cliff into LAKE). The new man, continued on. Every person that had demons removed, or sickness removed; then walked on in a new creation. What happened to the sickness? What happened to the demons? What happened to the blindess? They were destroyed.
Just some thots.
Steve Crook:
I wonder where that came from :)
Haha :)
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Steve Crook ---I wonder where that came from :)
Haha :)
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Where what came from?
Laren:
--- Quote from: Steve Crook ---I wonder where that came from :)
Haha :)
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I'm not sure Steve if u meant my post.
For me, where this thinking came from is, Christ died on the cross, complete death. Christ represents the flesh. It had/has to die. When Christ was raised, he wasn't raised in the flesh, but a new creation. In the lake of fire, our flesh has to die. To me this makes a lot of sense. The carnal mind is destroyed. Romans 6-8 talks about our baptism into death, to reckon ourselved dead to sin, to the flesh. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.
Paul died daily, the flesh has to be crucified. All a part of the cross, death and life.
I think we who are going through judgment now, can spend too much time focusing on changing our flesh, rather than letting Christ through the spirit crucify it.
Steve Crook:
--- Quote --- I think we who are going through judgment now, can spend too much time focusing on changing our flesh, rather than letting Christ through the spirit crucify it.
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I agree with this because if we think we are doing anything at all, we are still yet carnal. Christ will be the one to free us or not. It all leaves me saying, "How long, Oh Lord?".
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