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Oblivion582:
--- Quote ---Well there you go........The Holy Spirit is express outward from others and comes to you within.
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OOH yeah thats right...God can't use people. I felt God was telling me this is the truth but how dare I simply ask HIS people for a little confirmation.
GODSown1:
Oblivion582!!,
Keep strong!! in the name of the LORD!, keep the Faith!!, do not lose site of Whom drew U! here & Y!, GODBlesS! U!, Peace b with U
muchLOVE!! Pera
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---mate!,
dez pple r jus lookn 4 Help not 2 b critised or spoken harsh of, Wen JESUS spoke like HE did whom!! was d@ 2??, cum on get real!, yes! b like JESUS! NOT!! be JESUS! wakeup!!, who wants 2 b around pple like dis, man! I had enuff of d@ sh#$* wen I was a Gang member, Im startn 2 c not much difference, Jus know, We LOVE!! GOD wit all our Hearts, Souls, Minds & Strength, az I presume uZ! do 2??.
muchLOVE!! Pera
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Pera, I think I have to agree. I think I can see a little of both sides of what people are trying to say when they say, "Be like Jesus". Sometimes people need a little wake up call. But here's my problem. Jesus was given the full measure of the spirit, and with total validity spoke with authority. He is the son of God!!! None of us have the full measure of the spirit yet, and although many may be more spiritually mature than others, I still don't think that gives them credibility to try and speak like Jesus who knew the hearts of men inside and out and knew exactly what He was doing and knew exactly what people needed to hear and exactly when they needed to hear it. Do any of us seriously believe we have that kind of authority???
--- Quote ---WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God’s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000 years? YES. It has gotten WORSE.
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Are all of you who claim you can hand out criticisms like Jesus suggesting that the people on this forum who are seeking to understand and asking questions and looking for confirmation are "Religious Scholars and Theologians"?????? You've never even met any of the people here face to face, how do you even assume you know what they are all about, let alone know their hearts. Ray has more valid reason to respond in his emails the way he does, because most of the time he is being attacked by people who insist they know better, but he is not seeking to fellowship with those thousands of emailers.....he gives them their admonition and he's on to the next email. This forum is suppose to be a place of fellowship people!!
Sorry, it's late over here in Canada. I love this forum but I am getting a little weary of some posters' constant "attempts" to be "sarcastic" like Jesus.
Peace,
Diana
iris:
Hi Oblivion582,
I think it would be helpful to read all of the papers that Ray has written.
It has sure helped me. I'm still reading, going back over them several
times. Every time I read back over a paper I see something I didn't see
before.
Iris
Craig:
--- Quote ---I love this forum but I am getting a little weary of some posters' constant "attempts" to be "sarcastic" like Jesus.
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Diana,
You make a good point. Sarcasm is a two edge sword. When Jesus used it, it was to upbraid the religious scholars and teachers of his time. These were the ones who were leading the people to destruction. Also Jesus was perfect and did not have to worry about the "plank" in his eye.
Ray uses sarcasm when answering the religious "scholars" of our time. They may not be preachers and teachers, but they are spouting doctrine that is completely false. When a person writes Ray with questions that are searching and trying to understand, Ray does not generally answer with sarcasm. Much is due to discernment that Ray is given.
When a person comes to the forum, and you suspect that it is a person who does not share our beliefs. It is helpful to us as moderators for the membership to "try the spirits" with pointed questions. As we have said, with enough rope this person will eventually "hang" themselves. But, BUT I wish the membership would leave it to the moderators to show these persons the door, and not take it upon themselves to drive them away with personal attacks and sarcasm. If we want to throw "stones" are we any better than the "religious types" of Jesus' time?
The moderators will start deleting posts that attack another poster. Ask questions, tun up the heat with pointed questions if you feel led, but leave it too the moderators to decide if a person belongs or not.
The moderators have probably been asleep at the switch lately, for that I apologize.
Craig
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