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Prosizz:
I was about to answer Arcturus and Rodger posts when I read what Diana and Craig wrote so I will leave at that. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
God bless.
UncleBeau:
I think we're missing the overall point here and correct me if I'm wrong...
"Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man." (john 8:15)
Jesus did not judge men because of their words, EVER. Does the book of revelation say anything about judging them according to their words? NO! Why? Because their words are out of the abundance of the heart (Matt. 12:34) and in heart ye work wickedness (Psa 58:2)
"I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness." (Rom. 6:19)
"There is therefore now NO condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who WALK not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom. 8:1)
Does that say WALK after the spirit? Yes it does. Does that say "talk the talk"? NO! Why not?
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him NO MORE. (2 Cor. 5:16)
We knew Him after the flesh, that's why! Any MIGHT say that Jesus was sarcastic, I call it His personality in the flesh. Now, NO ONE knows Him in the Spirit. and I can prove this:
...no man knoweth the Son, but the Father (Matt. 11:27)
We are to be like Him through knowing the Father. We know Father by Him being revealed to us through the Son. (Matt. 11:27)
Is how Jesus talked EVER to be on our priority list as to building our character? My opinion is no. We see love by what He did, not what he said; and by this, WHO he said it to makes nothing different. Would you not get angry and sarcastic at people that teach lies to your children? YES! BUT, after the flesh!(as even in the flesh, Jesus was righteous) Through the spirit, we are told to love our enemy. This is my overall opinion: WE CAN NOT WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT WHEN OUR FOCUS IS HOW WE KNEW HIM AFTER THE FLESH!
your friend,
-Beau
seminole:
Craig, thanks for writing what you did as well as many others. I believe you got to the heart of the matter. We aren't Jesus. We can't know the hearts of people like the Father does. Again I say a big Thank you!
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: UncleBeau on July 24, 2007, 08:50:38 AM ---
Jesus did not judge men because of their words, EVER. Does the book of revelation say anything about judging them according to their words? NO! Why? Because their words are out of the abundance of the heart (Matt. 12:34) and in heart ye work wickedness (Psa 58:2)
--- End quote ---
Hi Beau,
Please forgive me if I misinterpreted your point, but words are very important in my understanding. We must constantly pray for discernment and understanding as well as the fruits of the Spirit of Christ as we continue our journey with the Lord.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book.
There is a lot more that I could have added but I think you can clearly see where I am coming from, if I misunderstood please elaborate a bit more as to your train of thought.
Also I thought it might be appropriate to restate the purpose of Bible Truths as it reads at the top of Ray's page.
This site is a ministry of love. We charge for nothing; we have nothing to sell; we ask for nothing. All we at bibletruths have full-time jobs to support both our families and this site. The site requires thousands of man hours and thousands of dollars annually to operate. It is FREE to all. And our goal is to teach the Truths of God as He has given us understanding.
There is, however, a two-fold commission in teaching the Gospel of Christ:
"...that he [the elders] may be able to [1] entreat with sound teaching as well as to [2] expose those who contradict" (Titus 1:9, Concordant NT).
Unfortunately, many are offended that we would "expose those who contradict" God's Word They accuse us of being unloving, unkind, or bad-mouthing God's anointed. Untrue. Nowhere do we attack the person or character of those who oppose God's Word. So please don't confuse our mission of "exposing" as an "attack" on the character of a person who contradicts God's Word.
May God richly bless all those who have a real love of the Truth!
L. Ray Smith
His Peace to you,
Joe
UncleBeau:
Hi Joe,
My response was for the purpose of those that, like many have been discussing, are talking about Jesus being sarcastic for whatever purpose they're discussing it. I apologize If I was thought to say anything else. To my understanding, Jesus rebuked the Pharasies because of what was in their heart, right? Not because they were wanting to be taught and they were just not getting it? That was my purpose, nothing more. But, like I said, if I was wrong in anything I said, help me to be correct about it; but honestly I've heard others complain enough and I wanted to show my opinion on why I don't think the manner of which Jesus spoke has anything to do with walking in the Spirit. Of course I believe everything He said was Truth, but I believe his mannerism of dialect is irrelevant. I do understand it is hard for me to word correctly though. I'll try to make my point without giving such an impression next time.
your friend,
-Beau
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