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seminole:
Beau, I for one agree with you. I can't judge a man's heart. That is for our heavenly Father. I do believe that sarcasm from us is not waranted but to walk in the spirit of love that Jesus was the example of for us all. Most sincerely, Seminole

Deborah-Leigh:

I recommend a look into Rays first teaching on this site. Excerpts from http://bible-truths.com/fools.htm

 "Well, YOU ARE NOT Jesus!" Oh really? And what happened to,

"…because AS He [Jesus] is, SO ARE WE in this world" (I John 4:17),

and

"Let this MIND be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus" (Phil. 2:5)?

LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD

"And another of His disciples said unto Him, Lord, allow me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow Me, and LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD" (Matt. 8:21-22).

Do you think maybe that disciple was offended by his Master’s words? Jesus was saying that those preparing this funeral and burial were as dead as the corpse they were about to bury! Jesus asked this disciple to "follow Me" and let dead people take care of dead matters. But consider that this was the disciple’s own father. Are we not to "Honor our father and mother?" Of course we are, but when Jesus asks us to follow Him then our allegiance to our parents, children, or loved ones take second place to that command. We must be willing to forsake all to follow Jesus! Jesus was leading this disciple to things of life, while this particular disciple desired to sooner attend to things of death. One cannot serve two masters.

Diana

Before I answer your question I want to add that your posts have been a real treasure to read and show depth insight and sensitivity. I am sad that it wearies you that there are, as you observe, some...not many no doubt...who are...as you say....TRYING to be sarcastic like Jesus....I know I appreciate sarcasm so I think you include me as being one who is wearing you out! That is not good news I can assure you!


You note : None of us have  the full measure of the spirit yet, and although many may be more spiritually mature than others, I still don't think that gives them credibility to try and speak like Jesus who knew the hearts of men inside and out and knew exactly what He was doing and knew exactly what people needed to hear and exactly when they needed to hear it.  Do any of us seriously believe we have that kind of authority??? 

No one has the kind of authority that Jesus had of course not. But WHY OH WHY is the Babylonian teaching so dependent on a lovey dovy, softy sissy Jesus who was no where near a push over, lukewarm coward!!!

Ray says (and I firmly believe and exhort others to realize this too!) .... I fully realize my papers grind on the spirits of those who oppose God’s Word. And well they should. Why shouldn’t we quote the Scriptures with authority--the Scriptures are authority.

"For He [Jesus] taught them as one having AUTHORITY and not as the scribes" (Matt. 7:29).

Jesus got His authority from His Father, and He used it. In fact, the very words He spoke were the words of His Father and not His own (John 17:8), hence the Father too uses sarcasm and anger in teaching us (our Lord and His God have more personality than most have ever imagined). What a broad range of colorful metaphors, parables, and colloquialisms they used. Add to these sarcasm, exaggeration, satire, irony, and true anger, and we have powerful, powerful, persuasive language and teaching.



Paul too used scathing sarcasm. Jesus was THE MASTER OF SCATHING SARCASM...Ray Smith...Paul too followed in the like mindedness of Christ and exhorted his brethren to copy him.

There is a HUGE false teaching that hooks onto the soul with cords of sentimentality and carnal feel good emotions that are far from the intimacy with Christ and very near to the affections of man that I see in a battle for credibility. The do goodie feel goodie two shoes v/s the carrying of the cross brethren of Christ who have come out of Babylon.

Ray notes the following : God told Isaiah to:

"Cry ALOUD, SPARE NOT, lift up your voice like a TRUMPET, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins" (Isa. 58:1).

Likewise, as a servant of God I cannot expose the evil and hypocrisy in the Church and in this world with a song in my heart, a smile on my face, and a chuckle in my voice! Sorry, but that won't get the job done. I laugh considerably more than almost anyone I know. But try to palm off the evil and vile doctrines of the Church to God’s "little ones," and my countenance changes instantly!

Is not THAT the mind of Christ?  8)

Joe

Thank you for your appropriate and light at the end of this tunnel post.  :D ;D

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

seminole:
I don't think it is being said to be a "lovey dovey Jesus" but is said that we should show love to others.Is there any here who has the mind of Christ? As has been stated many times, we are growing and becoming but are not there yet. It seems to me that throwing the "doing unto others" as all the "lovey dovey Jesus " stuff into a box that many say the church does is no different than someone else saying that "sarcasm and criticism" sets you apart. It doesn't. It is just another "boxed up" way to beat somebody down.

Deborah-Leigh:
Can you say that to Jesus?...The Master of Scathing Sarcasm and unbridled criticism? (Rhetorical question!) :D

hillsbororiver:

Hello everyone,

We should be temperate in all things (1Cor 9:25) and not choke a babe who requires milk by force feeding meat. Also, those who tend to be easily offended really need to look in the mirror as well, I have seen many times questions posed or statements made and the brethren here give thoughtful, wise and compassionate council only to have the questioner not respond to the answers. Is that an honorable thing? Is it not also a rude rebuke?

I really believe this Forum affords us the possibility to grow in patience and understanding as long as our pride doesn't get in the way. If you have a problem with a brother or sister's statement or attitude why not try to seek understanding first, if that does not solve the issue contact a moderator, let us mature together in His Spirit and not waste this incredible opportunity by self righteousness or a stiff neck.

Psa 75:5  Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck.

Jer 17:23  But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made  their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.

His Peace to you,

Joe

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