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Parables - email to Ray
ciy:
Sasscell,
That is a great verse for us.
"All happened to them as an example" An example is like a parable, in the case of the bible it is written in a way to take the physical happening as a parable of the spiritual truth. The Word is Christ and we must realize that it is "spirit and it is truth". It really is "is, was, and will be" for everyone, but it only will have that meaning for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
CIY
sasscell:
Let me tell you where I get tripped up Ciy. I can see how Israel is parabolic as in the aforementiond scripture, I can even see the law as parabolic. Where I get tripped up is the prophets. Obviously the prophecies are metafores and parables, but how to see them as part of ONE GIANT PARABLE is the problem.. I hope I am saying this right. Ley me clarify at bit if I may....I can see how the whole Bible is parabolic (is that a word?) BUT, stringing them all together into one parable is, well, harder.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: sasscell on August 09, 2007, 01:31:42 PM ---Good scriptures Joe, thanks, but a question. Christ is clearly the Word, BUT is Christ the scriptures? Obviously, The Word was around "in the beginning" long before the scriptures. I'm being serious, is there a difference? Does Ray have something on this??
--- End quote ---
Hi sasscell,
Here are Christ's Words relating to His association to Scripture.
Joh 5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
The Scriptures give us hope;
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Christ gives us hope;
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
The Scriptures which testify of our Lord is the hope of our salvation. They are One and the same.
The Spirit of Christ is the Comforter and the Word of God
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1Jn 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Everything in the Bible every Word of Scripture testifies of Christ, His Word and Spirit are the same thing, Truth, Hope & Salvavtion.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello CIY
Your well stated observation :
--- Quote ---take the physical happening as a parable of the spiritual truth.
--- End quote ---
resonated for me, with the very first principle of understanding God Given Truths : http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
TRUTH NUMBER 1
[A] "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the Last Adam [Jesus Christ] was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL" (I Cor. 15:45-46).
"It is sown [first] a NATURAL BODY [a physical body which dies]; it is raised [afterward] a SPIRITUAL BODY [which is made immortal and never dies]…" (I Cor. 15:44).
[C] "Who shall change our [first] VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto His [afterward] GLORIOUS BODY…" (Phil. 3:21).
[D] "If I have told you EARTHLY things [first], and you believe not, how shall you believe, if I tell you of HEAVENLY [spiritual] things [afterward]?" (John 3:12).
The sequence of God’s plan of salvation for mankind is most important—First is the physical and then comes the spiritual.
Sasscell, if you perhaps go and digest the above insight plus the remaining eleven tools to help us discern what God Almighty means, and with Gods Will, you may get a glimmer of this very bright Truth. It is vivid, startlingly dazzling and quite untaught in Orthadox Christianity. Understanding is by HIS Spirit and maybe HE is dragging you to keep digging!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
ciy:
That was great to pull that up Arcturus. I was just rereading over the 12 Truths before lunch.
Sasscell, Arcturus has got the info. I am not a teacher. I am an encourager. Ray is a teacher and all of this we are talking about is in his teachings. See your eyes like mine are being opened. You feel some of this already, so keep reading the bible and then Ray's writings will be like a guide and a prover of what God is opening your eyes to see. I continue to read Ray's writings because they are my encouragement to keep believing what I am seeing with my spiritual eyes. I know of no one that I can meet with that believes the truth of the Word, so I must stay focused on the truth so that the foolishness of the world does not entice me back into it.
That said, I love Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc and all of the minor prophets because they are just a stark parable to me of the religious system and how we are to be separated out. They really are all "many are called and few are chosen".
Keep seeking and keep reading the Word.
CIY
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