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Parables - email to Ray
Deborah-Leigh:
12 Truths before lunch. ciy....You got THAT RIGHT! And lunch is a BANQUET!
Keep digging Sasscell. It builds up an appetite and an appetite is the best gravy on any meal!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
DuluthGA:
Hi Sasscell, I thought I'd try to find a statement from Ray on the whole bible being a parable... and I thought somewhere in his work he did say something to this effect, but the exact place escapes me... so I've been searching for it armed with this new Ctrl/F "word find" function Kat informed us about... and I've been goin' to town with the search... which is still ongoing although a bit time consuming... (it's fun :D, no worries.)
Anyway... and you're right, parabolic is a word that is synonymous with allegoric. So to perhaps give you another line-up of words... here are some from Ray, a little from here and there, to maybe have the big picture add up more for you. All emphasis his, but I will add my own emphasis in green.
"Everything written in Revelation is true, but most is not literally true. The fact is there are many many truths in the Bible that are not literally true…." [LOF Part 1, P.7]
"I want to quickly show my readers just how impossible it is to assume most of God’s word is literal. Again I state: All God’s Word is TRUE; however, much of it is figurative language which is not literally true to fact, but rather in what the figurative language of symbols, metaphors and parables represent." [LOF Part 1, P. 8]
"Jesus only taught to the multitudes IN PARABLES! Nothing else, just PARABLES! How many believe that? [P.1]… Christ spoke in parables only so that the multitudes would not and could not understand His words!" [P.3] [LOF Part 4]
"A parable is a story that contains in figurative or symbolic language a higher moral or spiritual truth. Parables are HIGHER, SPIRITUAL, GLORIOUS teachings of ETERNAL things. Literally they are of little consequence; spiritually they are of enormous consequence." [LOF Part 4, P.2]
"And in the last book of the New Testament, Revelation, we have a whole book of symbols, figures, and metaphors. And the material between Matthew and Revelation is a mountain of spiritual instruction and teaching." [LOF Part 4, P.1]
I realized this doesn't put THE WHOLE thing on a plate yet for you, but I will keep you informed if my search turns up a ringer of truth.
I think it interesting that you ask "Is Christ the Scriptures?" [Which I think, yes in a spiritual sense of course for both the O.T. and N.T. as the Spokesman for God.] This makes me wonder further if the Scriptures/Word of God will be necessary in His coming Kingdom? Just a thought. All the examples, prophecies, instructions and lessons contained within will then have been fulfilled. The "words" will have become literal spirits, ha ha :D. Just sittin here scratchin my head...
More later,
Janice :)
Brett:
Hi sasscell,
Ciy, Joe and others did have verses to show you, I also have other verse about parable for multiples:
Mat 13:34 "All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable."
I remember Ray's article of "Lazarus and the Rich man", that is where I notice that verse. ;) I thought maybe give you more insight. :)
Brett
Kat:
Hi Janice,
--- Quote ---This makes me wonder further if the Scriptures/Word of God will be necessary in His coming Kingdom? Just a thought. All the examples, prophecies, instructions and lessons contained within will then have been fulfilled. The "words" will have become literal spirits,
--- End quote ---
This is a good thought, I think that will be true. It is one thing to know what the scripture say. But as spirit, when we become one with God, we will embrace it with our whole being, that is life.
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Here is what I could find about Bible being a giant parable :)
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2891.0.html ---------
Hi ray,
Thanks for the encouragement.. can you tell me what you mean when you say all of the scriptures are a parable?
Thanks,
Dave
Dear Dave:
Well, not really, not in less than a hour or so, but I'll give you a hint. God is the Creator. He made everything. He made everthing for a purpose. There is one grand goal that God has for the entire human race. The Christian Church has not a CLUE as to what that goal is or how it will be accomplish. The whole plan and purpose is outlined in the Scriptures. But just as NONE of the people who heard Jesus teach in parables, understood His parables, so the Whole Bible is one GIANT parable which the Church does not understand. In a nutshell: God is creating the human race into HIS VERY OWN SPIRITUAL IMAGE. Oh, I thought that already was accomplished back in the Garden, wasn't it? I told you it's all one GIANT PARABLE!
God be with you,
Ray
http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html ---------------------
THE BIBLE IS A GIANT PARABLE
Not only is the Bible a giant parable, but, all creation is a giant parable. Is it not real? Oh, it is real all right. But what we see, hear, and feel, in this physical universe, is not the lasting spiritual reality of God’s purpose for creation. In parables, the literalness of the words is but a symbol that stands for something spiritual and grand. The physical words of all parables will pass away, however, the spiritual fulfillment of those physical words will never pass away. This is another marvelous spiritual principal of understanding and wisdom. I have covered this before, but it certain warrants repeating. Paul presents us with this grand parable of creation, life, and the final destiny of the entire universe:
"There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differs from another star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in INCORRUPTION.
It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in GLORY: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in POWER.
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY. There is a NATURAL BODY, and there is a SPIRITUAL BODY.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [Christ] was made A QUICKENING [vivifying, living, immortal] SPIRIT
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterwards that which is SPIRITUAL.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from HEAVEN [the realm of spirit].
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are HEAVENLY.
And as we [all humanity born of physical Adam] have born the image of the earthy, we [all humanity born of spiritual Jesus, the Christ] shall also bear the image of the HEAVENLY [Christ]" (I Cor. 15:41-49).
Can we even begin to comprehend what we have just read? But we are not there as yet. The physical part of this parable is still being played out on this physical stage of the universe. The final curtain of this heavenly play will not come down until all of the Acts have first been performed. And the drama is building as we near the climax.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
sasscell:
Thanks for all the input, i can see what you are saying. Let me throw this out there ;D (please understand I am not arguing, just thinking out loud) SO, Christ speaks to the multitudes in parables, thus the whole Bible is a parable because the Bible was givin to the whole earth. BUT, Christ did speak PLAINLY to His disciples like when He expounded to them The Parable of the Sower. AND, does Paul only speak in parables? Pauls letters are written directly to the called, chosen and elect, was there a nescessity to speak in parables to them? (not that he didn't use them) I don't think so HOWEVER, HOWEVER, God doesn't need a parable to keep someone from seeing something!! I don't think Paul wrote in parables, but MAN it is CRAZY how we can be supernaturally blinded by PLAIN WORDS!!
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