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Purpse for the Crucifixion
Falgn0n:
Thank you all so much for your quick responses! I will reply in more detail as soon as get a chance, but I just have a few quick questions for KAT:
Quote: "Those that do not believe that Christ was raised, can have no hope for a resurrection either"
Does that mean that It is theoretically possible that some people will not be raised?
That does not agree with the idea that ALL MEN WILL BE SAVED.
Quote: "Jesus Christ did something between His creation and the creation of the earth"
At what point in time was Jesus "Created"?? (Ref John 1:1)
Quote: "Christ had to die" (bold - mine)
WHY did he HAVE TO die? This is the core of my dillemma...
Quote: "He did something to acquire God’s Glory"
Now, therein might be a clue to the answer I'm looking for... but I might have to just think on that for a while, But certainly there seems to be something
of the idea that God was giving to Mankind a "sounding-board" (if you will) of what we will be when He's done
with us. Where is that scripture in 1 John that says: "We shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is..." ?
I will write again... I'm outta time right now...
rvhill:
You have heard the saying that, blood is thicker then water. The saying was originally, blood is thicker then milk. Adoption in bible is by blood, and sibling shear milk. Adoption supersede all other family ties in the bible. An adopted child come before a birth children. This were the saying come from, read the story of David. Jesus' death is God adoption plan for the human race.
rvhill:
--- Quote from: sasscell on August 16, 2007, 08:50:50 AM ---Hi all, here's a scripture, I didn't notice in the previous posts, I may have missed it though.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;and without shedding of blood is no remission.
But, this begs the question, why did God decide that death is the payment for sin?
--- End quote ---
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Kat:
Hi Falgnon,
--- Quote ---Quote: "Those that do not believe that Christ was raised, can have no hope for a resurrection either"
Does that mean that It is theoretically possible that some people will not be raised?
That does not agree with the idea that ALL MEN WILL BE SAVED.
--- End quote ---
What I was pointing out that the scripture from Paul was saying in 1Cor. 15. Is that if Christ was not raised, as some believed then and now. Then what hope (just what they believed - their hope) would those that believed that (He was NOT raised) have of being raised, because Christ is the Firstfruit. In other words, it they didn't even believe Christ was raised, then most certain they couldn't believe they would be raised. We must have faith, but that is a gift of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved(begotten) through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
He must be raised FIRST, then those at His coming, then the rest of mankind at the resurrection of the dead/Great White Throne Judgment. All will most certainly be saved.
--- Quote ---Quote: "Jesus Christ did something between His creation and the creation of the earth"
At what point in time was Jesus "Created"?? (Ref John 1:1)
--- End quote ---
There is another part in the Nashville conference (audio 4) 'WHERE DID JESUS COME FROM?'
This goes into great detail to explain when Christ came into being. I will simply state, God created Christ to be the means by which all of this physical universe was created.
--- Quote ---Quote: "Christ had to die" (bold - mine)
WHY did he HAVE TO die? This is the core of my dillemma...
--- End quote ---
This was the will of the Father, that in His perfect wisdom He knew this was the best possible way to do all this to be done.
Once you have went through everything in the Nashville conference, most of your questions should be answered. There is so much there, that I can not possibly relate to you. But I hope I have helped to clear some of this up for you.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
pylady:
Hi Falgnon,
What amazes me is that the Father formed this plan from the very beginning.
He wants a family, and He knows exactly what each of us needs to experience
to be the unique son or daughter He wants.
When He decided to create a family the plan was complete - it only needed to be executed. (Isn't that amazing! He knew each one of us before we were even created!) To carry out His plan He created a Son through Whom He would create the rest of His family. :D
OK I'm getting to my point:
The scriptures call Jesus the "Firstborn" . Yes, He was the first creation of the Father, the only direct creation. But, it seems this designation "Firstborn" means even more. Because He is the Firstborn of many brothers. The Father's plan from the beginning was for His Son to be the Son of Man (which Jesus referred to himself as). That would mean He would be fully human with a human body (that is to experience life as we experience, except sinless, and to die). He would also be firstborn from the dead. That would require Him to die physically, and be raised spiritually, thus being Firstborn from the dead, the first of many brothers (all the human race eventually).
God does not merely tell us how He will give us salvation. He showed us by sending His Son to take every step we must take from birth to death to resurrection in the spirit.
What a wonderful, truly awe-inspiring Father we have. The more we know Him
the more we understand that HE IS LOVE.
With Christian Love,
Cindy
Just another thought. -- If Jesus set the pattern for us, perhaps someday the Father will give us the great priviledge of creating through us. Just a thought, nothing scriptually. ???
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