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love_magnified:
I would love to be in your position Origen. Amen. Wear it like a badge. You are a witness against lies.

Harryfeat:
Hello,

In my opinion the existence and nature of evil is no different than man himself.  In essence, God is creating everything.  What God wills... is, was and will be.  

The whole idea that evil is a bad thing seems to stem from the concept of free will. We do not fathom one iota of understanding of God.  

The conceptual argument of how can a loving God cause such human suffering appears primarily at its core a functional  belief in a free will.   If you believe that you do not have a free will then why would you possibly believe that anything else that God is creating would have one.  Evil is here at God's will.  Evil does as God wills it to do. Evil is a funcion of God's "plan" or will just as we are.  

If there is someone out there that can reveal  God and  explain God's plan to me I would like to hear it.  The search for truth is an interesting process.  When does the search end? How much of scripture must we  try to understand after we discover and believe in the doctrine of Christ?

For those of us who believe in Christ, there is the path of love has been laid out for us.  The rest of the arguments about free will, hell, and any other misconceptions about who we are and what  God's plan  is just don't seem relevant.  At least, not to me.

feat

Origen II:
Well...I have a really interesting theory to propose.

However, I'm still trying to understand the nature of God in His dealing with the Israelites.

It does seem contradictory towards how Christ taught us.

alucard:
Origen II don't be fooled by that site i've seen and it does make good points to church going christians but they take a lot out of context plus everything back then was for us to learn from and to fullfill the law through christ if i said that right and even back then there was some symbolism such as (he who does not honor his mother and father shall be put to death) was never carried out and theres still a lot you need to learn to fully understand

Harryfeat:

--- Quote from: Origen II ---Well...I have a really interesting theory to propose.

However, I'm still trying to understand the nature of God in His dealing with the Israelites.

It does seem contradictory towards how Christ taught us.
--- End quote ---


Hello Origen II,

What is your theory you want to propose?


I didn't mean to turn off discussion by my post.  It just seems that sometimes when you boil down things to what you believe are most important, it puts a whole different perspective on things without sometimes getting bogged down in details.

I really never understood the ruthlessness in the old testament.  I usually got the idea that the Isrealites got the cocky attitude that "with God on my side I can do whatever I damn well please".  It seemed to be a lesson to me more about pride and false priorities and political rules out the whazoo to keep everyone in line.  A child learns fairly quickly to keep their hands out of the fire or they will get burned. Its seems to be all physical stuff, very little of the spirit.


As far as what humans do/did to humans vis a vis rape, plunder and pillaging, etc. how much better/worse is that then everyone in the world but Noah and his group being drowned like rats or the entire habitants of two cities save Lot and his group, men, women and yes babies, being showered with fire and brimestone?  What's the plan?

Seriously,  what is your theory?

feat

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