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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: indianabob on September 13, 2007, 10:17:08 AM ---
The inspiration came from a book one of the members loaned me called; The Kingdom of God is a PARTY, by Tony Campolo. As you may imagine, I am not going to teach with authority concerning doctrine. The folks would listen and even participate in the discussion, but the doctrines wouldn't remain with them because they would just filter them out automatically through the traditions they have always known. It is my hope however that they will come away with less fear of the future in their minds.
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Hi Bob,
I did a quick search on the book you mentioned, I could not get past the first paragraph where Tony Campolo states;
"The Kingdom is a Party"
In Chapter 14 of Deuteronomy, beginning at the 22nd verse, we read about tithing. According to Jewish law, every year all Jewish families came to Jerusalem. They brought with them one-tenth of all the money they earned that past year. (Tony's version)
Now for the actual Scripture;
Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Does anyone see money mentioned, I am sorry but I can not see this mixing of truth with lies as a good thing, if someone wants to belong to a social club maybe it would be better to join one that does not misrepresent God's Word or His plan and purpose.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
P.S. That was just the first 2 sentences of the very first paragraph!
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: sonofone on September 13, 2007, 11:35:50 AM ---Joe this seems to be a perfect response to another question I have going called Peter Walked On Water.Thanks!
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Fantastic, I always love a 2 for 1 deal! :D
You are very welcome,
Joe
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on September 13, 2007, 09:20:25 AM ---I do think that when we create hypothetical situations predicated on what we will do of our own mind and reasoning rather than the faith He will provide an answer at the time the situation arises is carnal thinking, I am not trying to sidestep anything but the result of our own efforts will always produce spiritual failure.
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Hi Joe,
You have nailed it here. It is God whom provides answers when we need them; it is man who through lack of patience tries to prempt the outcome of an event that may never occur. All that one needs ever do is to pray for the wisdom to know what to do, the courage to do it, and the strength to see it through. If one truly believes that God will provide all we need when it is needed, one needs not worry or fear anything.
However, it is indeed a blurry line of what a true believer should do. I expect no one would hesistate grabbing a child as it stepped in front of a car; likewise calling for an ambulance at the scene of an accident. You bring up a very good point and I quote: "do we take up arms against terrorists, do we become vigilante's in our cities and neighborhoods?"
By all means I do not believe that one should turn a blind eye and ignore obvious signs of terriorism, and then learn that a school of 5,000 children were killed with napalm. What is the difference between helping prevent a child from being run over and 5,000 from being poisoned? I think very little, unless one feels afraid to draw attention to ones self.
Of course this is all hyperthectical and is pointless even in discussion; however, I do feel that we are to treat others as we would like others to treat us, as you stated. Coming full circle, what any of us will do in a situtation might depend soley on ones faith in God to see one through.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thanks Joe :)
Love in Christ,
Darren
DuluthGA:
"I have to admit while reading certain responses that suggest I need only read more of Rays materials to get my answers, works on my carnal nature. In other words THEMS FIGHTING WORDS TO ME!!!"
Sorry, Sonofone, it was not my intent to irritate you. I thought I was giving very worthwhile advice.
Janice
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on September 13, 2007, 01:14:31 PM ---
By all means I do not believe that one should turn a blind eye and ignore obvious signs of terriorism, and then learn that a school of 5,000 children were killed with napalm. What is the difference between helping prevent a child from being run over and 5,000 from being poisoned? I think very little, unless one feels afraid to draw attention to ones self.
Of course this is all hyperthectical and is pointless even in discussion; however, I do feel that we are to treat others as we would like others to treat us, as you stated. Coming full circle, what any of us will do in a situtation might depend soley on ones faith in God to see one through.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thanks Joe :)
Love in Christ,
Darren
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You are very welcome Darren,
Yes, if we have His Spirit within us then we will want to treat others as He would, worrying about what may or may not happen tomorrow is not something we are commanded to do, just the opposite in fact. Look at Matthew 6:33 & 34,
(the Amplified Version is translated clearer than the KJV here);
Matthew 6
33But seek (aim at and strive after) first of all His kingdom and His righteousness His way of doing and being right, and then all these things taken together will be given you besides.
34So do not worry or be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will have worries and anxieties of its own. Sufficient for each day is its own trouble.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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