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meaning of lost?
iris:
Joe,
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply with all those scriptures.
They are very helpful.
Brother, you are always so kind and helpful.
Thank you so much.
Peace and Love
Iris
hillsbororiver:
Hi Iris,
You are very welcome, I am glad to have been of some help.
His Peace to you,
Joe
acomplishedartis:
hi to all, i am new on posting but, i want everyone to know that i apreciate the forum and how everyone seems to hear decently and respond with honestly,
anyways
i was reading this, at this morning (from: DOES SCRIPTURE PROVE
GOD WILL SAVE EVERYONE? by ray) and i guess it has to do with all this;
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“The Lord is not [#3856, ou—‘no, not, nay, never’] slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not [Gk: #3361 me, ‘not, any, neither, never, no, none, nor, nothing’] willing [Gk: #1014 boulomai, ‘to will be willing, disposed, minded, intend] that any '[Gk: #5100 tis, ‘some, any, a, thing, at all, certain, divers, every man, one, ought, some {man, body, thing, what} no thing] should perish [Gk: apollumi, ‘perish, destroy, lose’], but that all [Gk: pas—all, as many as] should come to repentance” (II Pet. 3:9).
We all are in a state of apollumi—perishing, lost, or being destroyed, so this is speaking of our final destiny, forever.'' (come to repentence)
for my perception i also think being lost has to do with death as it was sugested, because we are all slowly dying, Day by day , hour by hour we are getting closer to our graves from Every second since we born.
acturus said this, wich it inspired me;
''Non of us are born yet except Jesus Christ and some are more lost than others!
In the end all will be one and one will be all''
i think it is not pleasent and fun to be waiting for death and keep it on mind constantly, but it may can bring us some humble. Just to remember how lost i am in so many ways and how many times i fall on the same things that i jugde others, reminds me how less power i have over my self.
some must be more lost than others! the only thing that i guess diference us from each others is our types of thinking (like our hopes) from the way of how we had come to perceive life (from what god has showed to us) and this is what cause us to be the way that we are.
i hope to dont be lost on my perception, but from now i still think we are all lost on diferents proportions, for now i just have hope that someday we will be all found.
and if god has let us find at list some of his truth, i hope he let us stand faithfully on it, at list with the little that we have, until now.
moises
YellowStone:
Hi All,
I have given what I am about to say a lot of thought and even some prayer. I was lost, I have been where there was no hope, no light, no prayer to be heard. I know I was lost, because I wandered around aimlessly, trusting no one, least of all myself.
Yet, God found me. I didn't know it at the time, sure didn't look like God, but I know it was. Because, I did not find myself in a city or a by a beach, no; I found or rather began to see myself from within, through the Spirit that began to open my spiritual eyes and heart. Slowly, with that aid of the spirit and some wonderful people who came into my life who changed my life by believing in me, I began to crawl out of my hole of darkness.
But I did not crawl out alone, I crawled out knowing that God had found me; that He had revealed himself to me in ways that I can now see very clearly and his Spirit is with me very much still. I trust in Him completely and what is sad is knowing that I am still totally unworthy of any of the love He has showed me. But I promise each one of you, though each of us may have been lost once; who really believes that they are now?
Psa 23:1 The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psa 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Though we may not have yet reached the end of our journey, we are not walking alone.
Prasie be to God!
Love in Christ,
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello acomplishedartis
It is right to be eagerly, constantly and patiently waiting for the return of The Lord because when He returns He comes to bring us to complete and full salvation. Until then we are yet imperfect, in the process of being made into His Image.
Heb 9 : 28 Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden of sin or to deal with sin, but to BRING TO FULL SALVATION those who are eagerly, constantly and patiently waiting for and expecting Him.
By contrast those who are more lost are like the Pastor who was building a new house who said. "I do not want Jesus to come before I have had a chance to finish my house and leave me time to enjoy it." (An actual statement said in a Church Leadership meeting!)
Though we run our race we have not crossed the finishing line. I look at Christ Jesus as being our completion, reward and finishing line.
Heb 12:4 You have not yet struggled and fought agonizingly against sin, nor have you yet resisted and withstood to the point of pouring out your own blood.
Only Jesus can rightfully claim to have achieved finishing His race and showing us the way to overcome being lost, imperfect and looking away from all that distracts to Him who is our Leader, Source and Finisher because He has already obtained the prize that was set before Him.
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith: who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Darren you observe : ....we are not walking alone.
We know from what we have perceived and accepted in the teachings regarding the Myth of Free Will, that God is causing every step we take. We are taking the steps and God is causing them. God can also bring to us in a flash, to know that we would be lost without Him. This realization comes to those God is training I believe.
I understand that we are never lost to GOD because HE is ALL KNOWING and OMNIPRESENT. From our view point we can fall prey to becoming lost, back slidden, deceived and in error when we lean on our own understanding and worse fall into the error of thinking we have control or are in control! :D
For me, every discussion we can have is centred on Free Will and Absolute v/s Relative. To me all roads lead to these conclusions (as brought out in Rays teachings) and the acceptance or rejection of them. Everything around that is frills skirting issues that embroider other ideas that evade the stark basic Truth that does not lie, or deceive or err.
You can take a string of scriptures to say we were lost once in darkness and now see the light but we are not there yet and until we are home in Christ we are vulnerable to being lost again or getting lost. Like Judas who walked with Christ. Judas got lost in his dispair, regret and solitary anguish. Poor guy. Think how he will feel when our Lord wakes him up and he see's Him as he desired to have Him ruling while in carnal reality! Of course he will have to repent of trying to take control to get his own way and vision of Jesus ruling the Roman Empire. When Christ returns He will be ruling much more than that! 8)...Just my thoughts.... :)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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