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Redbird:
Dear Justine,
I am so sorry if I confused you. If I may, the gospel according to St. John is a great place to search scriptures for this topic.
Peace and Love, Lisa
insanezenmistress:
--- Quote from: Redbird on September 21, 2007, 10:11:39 AM ---Dear Justine,
I am so sorry if I confused you. If I may, the gospel according to St. John is a great place to search scriptures for this topic.
Peace and Love, Lisa
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Lisa, you didnt.
Kat:
Here is an excerpt from the Mobile conference transcript, that I think fits in to what is being discussed here.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.msg27960.html#msg27960
So let’s think about this a little bit, who is the Father? In Him we live and breath and have our being. Liken the ocean to the Spirit of God, and liken us to the fish. The fish are 95% water, the ocean is in the fish, and the fish are in the ocean, get it.
A bird has very porous bones, because they have to be very light. It flies in the heavens, it breaths fast, because it needs strength and oxygen. So the air (which is like the Spirit of God, which is what he calls it in the NT, Greek word for spirit is pheuma), the expanse is even called heaven, where the bird flies, and liken the air to the Spirit of God. The bird has air in him and is flying through the air.
Now this is what the scripture say, we are in God and God is in us. So, get it out of your head that God is a man, sitting on a stone throne, like Abraham Lincoln in Washington D.C., an old man with gray hair. God is right here, it (Bible) says so, we have to just listen to the words.
God is Spirit, it also says God is invisible, you can’t see Him, not literally. We can see Him in Spirit, as in our heart, in our mind, our soul, our spirit, in our intermost being.
The thing that makes us different from plants and other animals, is we can see God. I’m trying to help you right now, to see God. So when you leave here, you will see God in a way you didn’t, when you walked in here. If God opens it up to you, I can only tell you, but God must open it up for you to grasp it.
God is here, not here because we are here, but He was here before we got here and He’ll still be after we leave. Because this desk is here and this desk has it cohesion in Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus Christ that this desk holds together or it would fall apart. It takes energy and power, what is the source of the power, Jesus Christ, which comes from the Father and it’s passed off out of Him. One Father, one God, all and everything is out of Him. GOD IS ALMIGHTY!
What did Jesus say when He left His apostles and vanished out of their sight.
He said, “all power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth,” (Matt. 28:18).
That’s why He has come, He’s not the Father, but He’s God and He possesses all power in heaven and earth. By being the One, who possesses all power in heaven and earth, He is God. He didn’t have all power in heaven and earth from all eternity, it was given to Him. One God, everything is out of that God. We’re in Him and He’s in us, because He’s Spirit. Not a Spirit, in some geographical location. The reason God knows everything, is in all places at all times, is because that’s where He is. He’s Spirit and He refers to Himself as Spirit. My Spirit is here, there and everywhere.
David was inspired to write, where can I go to get away from you God, up to heaven, down to sheol, (Psalms 139:7-12).
There’s no place I can go, where you are not. Why? God is Spirit, God is not a man, get that out of your head. He (God) tells us that, God is not a man, Jesus Christ is a man.
Where is God? EVERYWHERE!
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From audio 1
http://bible-truths.com/audio/9-2-06MobileConf.1.mp3
mercy, peace and love
Kathy
insanezenmistress:
:D no contest.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: insanezenmistress on September 21, 2007, 09:30:25 AM ---I dont want to lead anyones thinking.
We are all here to learn together Sister, it is very gratifying that we can work through this process without ego and emotions cluttering up our paths. I greatly appreciate this!
I found the topic of gnostisium interesting and really wanted to know more about it. Joe when you said that you knew alot abotu that doctrine, i was excited to glean form your learning.
I will PM you in regard to this, like I said before it has some compelling ideas but I do think it is very much in error, I do not have an issue in exploring other doctrines (personally I do it myself) but I will keep the Scriptures close to my heart as I read so as not to become of a muddled mind. :P Always remembering Isaiah 8:20. ;)
I had my take and wanted yours. And i do not quote the scripture with chapter and verse and i am endevering to do that more.
Downloading E-Sword is a great help as is; http://www.biblegateway.com/
i accept your words in the spirit intended.
Thank you once again! ;D
what i want is a conversation, to seek those witnesses. I do ramble on and try to make points, and i WANT someone to correct me, jeremiah tells us our hearts are despratly wicked. ( insert chapter and verse here ;D )
Since you asked..... Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
.............where in the bible is God refered to as a person.....I will quest for that answer. I do not know at this time.
Here is Strongs Hebrew definition although more than one Hebrew word is tranlated into "person" some of them for no apparent reason.
H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
.............When i say that Jesus is the father do i mean that they are the same entity? ........
The Father has Greater Glory than the Son, the son is his glory in a form he can give to us. It is the same glory, two forms. Because of that, i can say yes, and i can say no. Seprate yet of equal stuff.
Jesus is God, but He defers to the Father, He came out of the Father and the Father is greater than He, all Jesus has the Father gave Him. The trinity article really explains this perfectly. The term "God" is an office, a title, not a name. The President and the Vice President are both of the Executive Branch but the authority of the Vice President never is equal to or superior to the President. The Vice President serves the President. But they are both of the Executive Branch, the Vice President does not lie when he claims Executive status, but he is not equal to the President.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father and am come into the world: again, I leave the world and go to the Father.
as to the first question. Doesnt god refer to Himself? His name is IAM. persons say i am. but i will be still on the debate and search for direct scripture.
You are right God is the "I AM" and declares Himself to His creation although He does not claim to be a person (nephesh), He is greater than any mortal (which is a part of the Hebrew definition of nephesh) man or woman.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Job 33:12 Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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