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jerreye:
--- Quote ---Could it be that Christ's physical body was transformed into a spiritual body upon resurrection? Is that not what Paul speaks of happening to those alive at the Lord's return? So why not the same with the dead?
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Hi, perhaps I'm misreading you, but doesn't it say that "corruption does NOT INHERIT incorruption"? This to me is saying that our natural body does not inherit the spiritual body, but instead, we are changed FROM corruption (flesh and blood) INTO an incorruptible spiritual body.
I apologize if I read you incorrectly :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: jerreye on November 20, 2007, 05:59:17 AM ---
--- Quote ---Could it be that Christ's physical body was transformed into a spiritual body upon resurrection? Is that not what Paul speaks of happening to those alive at the Lord's return? So why not the same with the dead?
--- End quote ---
Hi, perhaps I'm misreading you, but doesn't it say that "corruption does NOT INHERIT incorruption"? This to me is saying that our natural body does not inherit the spiritual body, but instead, we are changed FROM corruption (flesh and blood) INTO an incorruptible spiritual body.
I apologize if I read you incorrectly :)
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Hi jerreye,
No need for an apology but perhaps the use of the word "transformed" is what you are questioning, are you seeing this word as a sort of metamorphosis like a catapillar changing into a butterfly?
That was not my thought or intention at all, here are all the definitions, I was thinking #'s 2 & 3, I believe you were thinking # 1;
trans·form
–verb (used with object)
1. to change in form, appearance, or structure; metamorphose.
2. to change in condition, nature, or character; convert.
3. to change into another substance; transmute.
—Synonyms transfigure. Transform, convert mean to change one thing into another. Transform suggests changing from one form, appearance, structure, or type to another:
Phi 3:21 Who shall change3345 our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
G3345
μετασχηματίζω
metaschēmatizō
met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo
From G3326 and a derivative of G4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively to apply (by accommodation): - transfer, transform (self).
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
I had another thought on this subject and it will be the last (from me) as it is doubtful anyone is going to change their opinion on this one way or the other until the "change" actually happens or we get indisputable confirmation through some future discovery of appropriate verses. ;)
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Was the natural, flesh and blood body of Jesus prostrated on the ground as this tranfiguration took place, or was the natural "changed" into the spiritual temporarily?
What will happen to the bodies of those alive at His return and they are changed, will their former bodies crumble to the earth as they take possession of their new bodies or will the old flesh and blood corruptable be "changed" into the incorruptable?
I see this like changing sand into glass, the fire applied to the sand changes it forever, the process cannot be reversed, unlike water which this same fire can change to steam or water vapor but potentially it can and does condense back into water once again.
OK, enough of this for now! :D
His Peace to you,
Joe
pylady:
All this talk about changing and/or transforming, physical or spiritual bodies makes me think of the scripture that says ALL is of God. The specks of dust our physical bodies will become, and the spiritual bodies He will someday give us are both of God. Exactly how He will do it we don't yet know. But scientist do know that matter can be changed to energy, and energy to matter, and in the subatomic world a particle is sometimes matter and sometimes energy. These discoveries of scientist are teaching us something about our God. I don't know the relationship of energy to spirit, but it does make me think!
May He give us a spirit of understanding.
Cindy :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Good points to ponder Cindy!
God is Spirit. Just what Spirit is I do not think we have even approached comprehending yet.
God is the creator of Matter, Energy, Space and Time from His Spirit! He is the Source of all! This is pretty amazing!
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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