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Only the elect are raised spiritual
ciy:
Find Ray's teaching on the following verse:
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28
Ponder this a while. It is the soul that gives us our carnal knowledge and being. Those elect that are judged in this age have overcome the world, flesh, carnality, etc so they are spotless in the next age. Those who are called but not elect will enter the next age with their carnality still in tact and will have to be purged and scourged out of them in the LOF or destroyed. In other word, they will have on dirty garments and the saints will have on clean, white garments at the beginning of the next age.
I believe this holds true to Ray's teaching.
CIY
lilitalienboi16:
Hello beau,
I wanted to let you know i did read your responce. I struggle to see where your point of Jesus being raised in a physical body is made clear.
I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree on this and continue praying for guidance from the Lord.
God bless,
Alex
UncleBeau:
I really tried not to respond again (albeit not too hard apparently), but to believe anything but the scriptures is foolish. If Jesus wasn't resurrected in His body, (just like the one He died in, so we don't get confused on the matter) then where did His body Go? Did He not receive visitors to His grave? Were they not told He wasn't there? If His body was still there in the tomb, they would most likely believe He WAS still there! (the Old Testament Scriptures knew nothing of going anywhere other than Sheol when someone died.) Did His body just disappear? Don't tell me He was in a spiritual body and manifested PHYSICAL evidence of holes in His hands and side for Thomas and others to literally deceive them when it only "appeared" that it was really the same Jesus that died on the cross. I assure you, the holes in His hands, were the SAME holes made by real, physical nails. If He was in a "new" body, then there were no holes and Jesus manifested "fake" holes as proof of something that wasn't real, just to appease someone that doubted. If I were them, and someone just "manifested" fake evidence, I wouldn't believe it AFTER the claim. The Jesus that died on the cross, was the same Jesus that gave proof His resurrection, same body, same Jesus. Like I said before, where is the scripture that claims otherwise? Sorry, but I have to let the matter rest on this response as far as I'm concerned, I'm not allowed to teach in here, neither am I making that attempt, just to give truth as I know it; but this is becoming fruitless.
your friend,
-Beau
Deborah-Leigh:
I believe if you read the following there might be some helpful clarity gained :)
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1199.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3213.0.html
As another observation here is a post in the Forum from April of last year written by a guest Steve Crook who wrote the following : Quote from ref http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,240.0.html
This may seem to way out there on the scale of crazy questions, but if folks saw Christ in many different forms after he ressurreced, and they did see him according to their accounts (fisherman is good example), then why do we think Christ couldn't possibly appear today as a various person from time to time. Is, Was, and Will be.
I guess I'm saying that I don't rule it out as a possibility. However, I don't think that unless Christ revealed himself as being Christ, that anyone would know it was Christ, just as though his disciples literally walked and talked with the man and didn't even know him.
I know the new bodies we receive, if like Christ's, will have the ability to transcend material objects and shape themselves into whatever we will need them for. Pretty cool stuff, though our Father's Will will at that point be the only thng we use to do anything
It will all be great! NO more pain, suffering, bondage, etc., etc.
God bless
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
Hi Beau,
In an email to Ray, this question/statement was raised;
Physical or Spiritual?
« on: September 24, 2007, 06:59:16 AM »
I believe Jesus rose in a spiritual body because of 1st Corinthians 15 and I also believe we will rise in a spiritual body, but I am a little confused. When Jesus rose from the dead His earthly body was gone, and the disciples were able to see and touch the holes in his hands, feat, and sides.
Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
[40] And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
[41] And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
[42] And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
[43] And he took it, and did eat before them.
Please explain this to me.
Dear Miykael:
Yes, Jesus was raised with a spiritual body, however, those who are born of the spirit are "like the wind" (John 3:08). In order for Jesus to prove that He was the same Jesus that was crucified, He had to manifest Himself in a physical manner for His disciples to see Him. He manifested Himself to the two men on the road to Emmaus in a physical body; He manifested Himself to the women in the Garden as the Gardner; He manifested Himself on the lakeside as a yet another body. Jesus was able to "appear in ANOTHER form" from His real spiritual body (Mark 16:12). And He appeared behind closed doors to his Apostles in the same body with which He was crucified (John 20:19-29).
God be with you,
Ray
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5535.0.html
Could it be that Christ's physical body was transformed into a spiritual body upon resurrection? Is that not what Paul speaks of happening to those alive at the Lord's return? So why not the same with the dead?
Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Here is what I believe to be the qualifier; "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed."
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
His Peace to you,
Joe
PS Here is the full verse Ray mentioned (Mark 16:12)
Mar 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
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