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ciy:
Here is a good question that maybe all of you know the answer, but I just started to ponder it and it is really amazing when you realize the depth of the meaning.
Who is the first person in the world to repent over the crucifixion of Jesus?
Now you probably know the answer, but that is not the end of it. Ponder the answer and realize what it means. Ray touched on this in one of his writings, but think about it. The first person to repent over the crucifixion of Jesus was the first person to realize that he is the one who caused Jesus to be crucified. He realized that Jesus was an innocent man and died because of him. Just as we must come to realize that we are that same person and we are the one who crucified Jesus. Only when you are really hemmed up with the truth and no where else to go will it really sink in that you are the one that forsake Jesus. You are the one that sold him out and even kissed him on the cheek so that the princes of the world would approve of you and you could become a prince of this world. Just because you thought you could become a prince of this world and get power now, you sold out Jesus.
Judas sold out Jesus and repented before Peter, John, James, etc realized what was happening. Why? Because he was the first one to become the prodigal son and forsake his father for immediate glory in this world, or at least he is the first one that realized it.
Amazing stuff. God's way of communicating is awesome.
CIY
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello ciy
Here are some points to add regarding this topic quoting Ray in blue font :
Have you never read where Judas "REPENTED [same word used where Jesus preached "repentance" to enter into the Kingdom] for the evil crime he had committed (Matt. 27:3 & Matt. 3:2)? http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4632.0.html
.... he lost his standing as a apostle when he killed himself. He couldn't very well serve as an apostle from the grave. He certainly felt bad about what he had done, which shows a conscience. On the other hand, he was a coward to face his sins like a man, and took what was to him the easier way out. He will come up in judgment, and all the carnality left will be burned out by God's consuming spiritual fire.
God be with you,
Ray http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,302.0.html
So there are four things that happen with sin:
1. Committed
2. Remitted
3. Repented
4. Removed
That’s the sequence. And repentance is where you accelerate this. All through your life you learn to mature, learn to operate in society, learn to obey the laws of the higher powers and so on…stopping at stop signs, staying under the speed limit etc….you do all these things, which are admirable. We should do them. But there comes a time when you have to just stop doing good things and repent of who and what you are. And then you will start to make real progress.
We sin, God forgives it.
We repent, God removes it.
That’s the way it’s done and it will be done that way with every human being. http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
What I find interesting is that Judas shows he had a conscience as Ray points out yet he will experience the LOF because he had not yet matured to the standard height of Christ. Jesus did not take his own life in suicide. He lay it down and was murdered. I do not see Judas as the closest to the image of Christ or the first in the line of salvation. He might be among the first to be cast into the LOF.
Just my thoughts.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
ciy:
Arcturus
I did not mean he was first in line of salvation. He was the first to repent when he realized he was the main one who caused Jesus to be crucified. He was not faithful to the end. I believe that will be purged out of him in LOF.
I believe that we must realize that we are Judas. That we are the one who crucified Jesus. When we do we will repent like many that are on this forum, but will we stay faithful to the end like Jesus or will we lose our faith and not be faithful to the end going back to the way of flesh.
Like you quoted:
We sin, God forgives it.
We repent, God removes it
I think it is an amazing point to realize that you are the one who crucified Jesus and when you truly realize it then you will want to kill the beast in you that caused you to crucify Him.
CIY
LittleBear:
I always felt sorry for Judas, because he was remorseful, and like Ray said, took the easier way out. I wonder what he thought would happen if he stuck around, and why did he think suicide was the only way for him? Anyway, I think perhaps he became a type or parable of those who are running the race, and then when adversity strikes, they fall away.(please God, keep us!) Or like you say CIY, which is even closer to home, whenever we sell Jesus out so that the princes of the world will approve of us, we betray Him. That is too easy to do, and look at the imagery of what this looks like to God:
Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.
Not nice.
Deborah-Leigh:
It is all as God has planned that Judas ended his life when he did!
As Craig so astutely observed in the Force Thread regarding how Peter denied knowing Jesus Craig points out : There is no doubt in my mind that if the same circumstances would have happened to Peter later in life he would have had a different answer.
Peter cried bitterly but God preserved his faith through his trial and brought Peter into repentance, humility and His Grace. Judas will experience the same influence that will bring him to repentance, humility and saving Grace and Judas too will learn righteousness.
It was not planned for Judas to go find Jesus and apologise and seek forgiveness. Judas will be saved through the Lake of Fire but just think how delighted he will be to see Jesus Christ risen and triumphant over the world which I believe Judas aspired to see in a much more carnal way when Jesus walked on the earth.
Just my thoughts.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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