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YellowStone:
Hi Beloved, you wrote and I glady quote: :)

He experieinced all the same the tugs of the physical body (hunger thirst etc), but he was enabled by His spirit to always obey His Father Will  and therby He alone fulfilled the Laws "perfectly" not carnally.
This puts my failing in to perspective better than just about anything else I have ever read. I can simply do NOTHING on my own, and it is yet not God's will that I have full and unfettered access to the Spirit of all Truth.

Wonderfully said Beloved :)

Love in Christ,
Darren

Gregor:
Greetings all, and thank you so much for your posts. They've definately shed some light on what's going through my mind. I don't have time to address everything I'd like to right now, but for starters, here goes:

I especially liked the point about after Adam was kicked out of the garden, and before the Mosaic Laws, man was left to his own understanding as to how to conduct himself.

Psm. 81:12 So I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, to walk in their own counsels.

Psm.49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
Psm.73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee

Acts 14:16 who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways.

Mic 4:5 For all people walk each in the name of his god, but we will walk in the name of the Lord our God Forever and ever.

Amazing how I'm getting answers in this thread to questions I raised in other threads. It's all coming together for me now so beautifully. I listed the following citations, but only typed out the parts which are really grabbing my attention (otherwise I'd be typing out most of Romans) I'm amazed at how the eyes of my understanding are beginning to see the truth so clearly. Deep things of God. Wow. Scriptures are coming alive.
Rom 3:25b;5:12-21 because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,...Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned - For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come...Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life...Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

At the time of reckoning in Gen.3:14-19 God said to the serpent "YOU are cursed..." then to the woman (as yet unnamed by Adam until vs.20) "...greatly multiply your sorrow & conception...in pain...desire for your husband, he shall rule over you" and then to Adam "cursed is the ground for your sake...in toil...sweat of your face you shall eat..." It isn't until after Cain kills Able that God curses the individual in Gen.4:11 "YOU are cursed from the earth..." The punishment fits the crimes, getting worse each time (except for the serpent). It isn't until Gen.4:26 that men then began to call on the name of the Lord, approximately 235 yrs after the time Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden till the generation of Enosh. After his generation we find many generations but only hear of Enoch walking with God, and he was not??? (condemned, or death did not reign over him) for God took him. Finally Noah shows up and finds grace in the eyes of God, unlike the rest of his generation. It is apparent that the spirit of God was present back in the days of old. I guess death reigned and man leaned on his own understanding and was like the beasts that perish, except for the few and the chosen who walked with God, and called on his name, and were saved in the ark. Oh how history repeats itself. So many types in the scriptures. 

So much to learn, so little time. Lord willing we'll talk more later. Thanks again to all. Sorry I couldn't go more into details.
Your Brother in Christ,
Greg

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Greg.

Many principles, many parables all heading to one conclusion, Will, Law, Purpose that we may learn righteousness and come to know how to distinguish between good and evil "...until we all attain oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the full and accurate knowledge of the Son of God, that we might arrive at really mature manhood, the completeness of personality which is nothing less than the standard height of Christ's own perfection, the measure of the stature of the fullness of the Christ and the completeness found in Him. Eph 4 : 13

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

Gregor:
Greetings Arcturus,
Gal.4:1,2 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, but is under guardians and stewards until the appointed time by the father. Ah, the fun of growing up.  ;)

Peace to you.
G.

Gregor:
Greetings feat,
Quote:

What do you make of these rather enigmatic verses?

1Pe 3:18 seeing that Christ also, for our sakes, once died concerning sins, the just for the sake of the unjust, that He may be leading us to God; being put to death, indeed, in flesh, yet vivified in spirit,
1Pe 3:19 in which, being gone to the spirits in jail also,
1Pe 3:20 He heralds to those once stubborn, when the patience of God awaited in the days of Noah while the ark was being constructed, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were brought safely through water,

Do you think Jesus covered the bases for His judgment?

Answers: Reference Acts 12:11 as a type.
On the day of Judgement, Christ will judge both the living and the dead (1Pt.4:5) and I believe this refers to those who are resurrected as spiritually alive in Christ, and resurrected as spiritually dead in their unbelief. Those (the few) who have been made alive spiritually (freedom) through Christ have a good conscience  toward God (1Pt.3:21) unlike those (prisoners to the flesh) who died in the days of Noah (many unbelievers) who will be raised with the fearful expectation of punishment for their unbelief. But, 1Pt.4:6 according to men in the flesh, the expectation is no-mercy, death, but the reality will be spiritual life in God by His grace through Jesus - saviour of the world, of all man, especially those who believe.

No doubt that Jesus has His "bases covered"  ;D

Peace multiplied to you,
G.

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