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Faith without works is Dead
Dennis Vogel:
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I didn't say "all wrong," I said 99.99% wrong, which they are (if you dig).
Ray has received many emails from people who sacrificed for many years giving to their church, and when they fell on hard times and asked for help, they were turned away (I know there have been exceptions, but not many).
There is NOTHING redeeming about Babylon's teachings, nothing. So why not "Come out of her, my people" unless you are not one of the "my people" and prefer the company of the blinded?
But like I said, if you stand up for the truth you will be put out anyway. It's just a matter of time.
Dennis
Kat:
Here are a few emails concerning the church.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,102.0.html --------
When the new testament talks about the saints or the church is that referring to the called or the chosen?
Regards
Daryn
Dear Daryn:
The answer is BOTH. God calls "His people"--His chosen elect saints, out of Babylon, which is the church of God turned apostate. But when we come out of Babylon, we are still saints and we are still member of the The Church of Jesus Christ, The Church of the Living God. As such we assemble ourselves together with believers in light, not the apostate church of darkness. We are to have no fellowship with them (II John 10, II Cor. 6:14-18, Rev. 8:4, I Cor. 5:9-13, Eph. 5:6-11, etc.).
God be with you,
http://bible-truths.com/email9.htm#yoked --------------------
However, here is a Scripture that tells us what to do when we are entangled with those who do not believe the Truths of God:
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with UNBELIEVERS [those who do not believe the Truths of God]: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness? And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel. And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? [or 'idols of the heart'--Ezek. 14:4, which are FALSE doctrines and FALSE teachings] for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE YOU SEPARATE, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 5:14-18).
There is your Scriptural reason for not assembling with them.
God be with you,
Ray
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Sorry, but I know of no churches or denominations of men anywhere on earth who teach these truths.
Remember, Jesus said were are like "salt" to the earth around us, which indicates that we are few and far between, unlike the lumpy gravy of Christendom.
God be with you,
Ray
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People ask me about "where to go to church" almost on a daily basis. They know that their church and all other churches that they know of, do not teach the truth (worse: they teach lies and heresy). And so they think that maybe I know of a church a few blocks from where their from or a few miles from their home that does teach all of the truths of God. Sorry, there is not such thing that I am aware of.
If there were churches scattered through BABYLON THE GREAT WHORE, then there would be no need for God to admonish those whom He is choosing, to "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE" (Rev. 18:4). Are we to just come out of her spiritually, but remain good social friends with them on a weekly basis?
Church is not now and never was, a physical building to congregate in to worship God. Could all the hundreds of thousands of Israelites congregate inside the tiny little tabernacle in the wilderness? Could ALL JUDEA congregate in the tiny Temple in Jeruslem every sabbath? The synagogues became corrupted and the churches today are corrupted. So where do you want to go? If you want fellowship why not foin a social club and keep the false religion out of your fellowship.
Jesus taught us that we are to worship God in spirit and in truth, not in this mountain or in Jerusalem, or in a building, or another other "place" that is corrupted. I can't tell people what to do. If "christian fellowship" means more to them than "godly worship," then I guess they just have to keep looking.
Being a follower of Jesus Christ was never designed to be a "feel good religion" as many christian churches promise if you join their particular tents on living a worldly life for Jesus. I trully never miss, "CHURCH"! I "go to church" every time I open my Bible."
God be with you,
Ray
Matt:
Since I am not yet a worthy scholar (I will be one day ;D), I will just go back to the basics. Jesus did not "go to church" to learn anything. He went to the temple to let them know that what they were doing was wrong. He did not compromise and follow them, they always followed Him. He spent most of His time with God alone in prayer.
I think I am starting to understand a bit more now. Those of you who have already left the "church" are correct, but we who have not, still have those human soul ties. We combat the same flesh that we ALL fight everyday. The same flesh that tugs when we are cut off in traffic, or meet an annoying person today, etc.......... we are all the same. I think rejection is what keeps many captive, especially since it would come from those we love dearly and consider family.
I still attend a church here in Japan, mainly because my wife is not open to many truths. I spend my time during the sermon pulling up scriptures to show my wife later that day. She can not refute them, but at the same time, she does not yet understand them. I am no longer indoctrinated by this church. However, I have introduced some teachings and scriptures that have not been rejected. The pastor has actually taken a bold step and announced that many of today's teachings come straight from the Roman and Greek mindset (a step he took not based off of anything I told him). He plans on teaching everyone the truth about Easter, Christmas, the sacraments etc. I pray for this guy because he is on to something. He believes in investing in people, not buildings. He worships in Spirit and truth. He lives off of his military retirement. Does he still believe in hell, yes. Should I just quit and give up on him when he is so close. It may take years for him, but he continues to move closer and closer to the truth, I believe it scares him.
I will never go back to the lies, but if I have an opportunity, shouldn't I try and teach and warn? Anyway, I just wanted to share this with everyone.
Matt
javajoe:
Matthew,
I would tend to agree with you. I think some of us may have a calling to stay in "Baylon" to be leaven. But we need to accept the fact that Babylon may reject us and kick us out on our heals. That's my opinion, anyway. I'd like to get opinions from the older members of this forum. What do you all think?
ciao,
JavaJoe
Rene:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 26, 2007, 09:39:37 AM ---
Here are a few emails concerning the church.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1304.0.html ------
People ask me about "where to go to church" almost on a daily basis. They know that their church and all other churches that they know of, do not teach the truth (worse: they teach lies and heresy). And so they think that maybe I know of a church a few blocks from where their from or a few miles from their home that does teach all of the truths of God. Sorry, there is not such thing that I am aware of.
Ray
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Thanks Kathy for, once again, bringing forth the email responses from Ray on certain subjects.
The first email I sent to Ray after "stumbling" upon the BT website over two years ago, was, "Did he know of any churches in my area that taught what he was teaching?" His response, of course, was no, and he added that he no longer belonged to any organized church or denomination. He belonged to the Body of Christ, the Church of the Living God, which was a spiritual church.
Through study and prayer, it all began to make sense to me. The command to "Come out of her my people" was the answer to a prayer I didn't even no I was asking. By the grace of God, I quickly came to understand the significance of this command. It was a liberating experience.
Rene'
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