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rjsurfs:
Since our purpose is to discuss and question what we learn on bible-truths.com, it may be a good thing for us to all reread part 15 of the Lake of Fire... for this is a main truth that differentiates us from those that contradict the Word of God.
We are here because we are like-minded in that we agree with scriptures... and respect Ray's teachings as the revealing of Bible truths.
I would really encourage everyone to read parts 1 through 14 first... but part 15 does stand alone pretty well. There are 4 parts (A,B,C,&D) and starts at the below link:
http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html
I say with the most humblest of intentions.
Bobby
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Beloved
Great line up of scriptures you presented to which I believe these can be added :
Isa 45 : 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create evil, I am the Lord, Who does all these things.
Rom 1 : 28 And so since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome.
Dave you ask : isn't there a danger that we can become overly passive……
I believe the danger to become spiritually lazy, complacent, holier than thou or luke warm is a real danger. We have to judge ourselves and those not doing this exercise are indeed falling prey to the error of thinking that they will not be held accountable for their thoughts and actions.
Regarding the Sovereignty of God. Some I believe are most uncomfortable with this fact and others are okay with it and yet others rejoice in it and find the rest in God that His Will for us reveals.
From your contribution Kat of Ray’s response to Marcus, this stands out as a critical bench mark for me. Quote :
God has a plan for the human race that involves humans doing things so horrible, that they will eventually learn to never trust their own heart and mind again.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Darren
God does cause circumstances that result in evil actions thoughts and desires of unconverted man. God takes responsibility for this and is not GUILTY FOR THIS awesome responsibility that I believe only God can carry. God does not desire and neither does God take pleasure in evil. No contest there and neither does Ray teach such heresy. Man takes pleasure in evil not God. God gives man over to his evil ways to learn not to trust in his own evil and wicked heart. Sin begets death and that is how man learns by and from experience the difference between God who is Good and is LIFE and Evil that is hideous and results in Death.
In Gods great Wisdom and Love HE has given man the experiences of good and evil to contrast and eventually result in mankind recognising the Power, Wisdom, Love and Sovereignty of his God.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Chris R:
Hello Darren,
I understand your frustration, And while God is the ultimate cause of all things, God does not "force" anyone to commit such acts, they volunteer to do these things. WHY?
Because the creature [man] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him [God] who hath subjected [the same] in hope, [Rom 8-20]
So in the final analysis We sin, ALL SINS, " not just little white lies" because God has made us that way. That is WHY we sin, but we DO COMMIT that sin, and are accountable, Well Chris, you speak out of both sides of your mouth Not true, it is the Scriptures that teach us God M.A.D.E. us that way.
This is not a easy subject, scripture clearly states God made us weak with vanity, NOT WILLINGLY...ALL is of God....
Time to move on folks
Hope this is of some help
Chris R
YellowStone:
Hi Chris and Arcturus,
If I am hearing and understanding you both correctly, what you are saying is that though the circumstances are from God the "will, want, desire ir need" to do evil/sin is from man alone, with some edging on by Satan. Like: "Whose going to notice", "everyone else does it", "Why not?"
The will to do wrong is not from God, but from man and Satan, who was a liar and a murderer from the begining.
If this is what you are saying, then I am in total agreement.
Thank you both for your uplifting responses.
In Christ with Love,
Darren
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