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hillsbororiver:
Hi Roy,

I can appreciate what you are saying, and with many people that very well could be true. From my own experience I can tell you that both sets of my Grandparents were from the "old country" and I remember how I was captivated by their descriptions of where they came from and what the world was like when they were my age (as a youth).

How much more incredible would be the first hand description of walking through the garden with the Creator and the experience of Eden? Who would want to lose a minute detail of it?

If you consider what God has inspired men to do through the ages and if in fact he desired the chronology of the human race to come from Adam's own hand then we can be sure that is what happened.

We know there was complacency even in the antediluvian world but Noah was not complacent nor was he cavalier, look at the project he undertook. What a massive undertaking!

Why is it a stretch or even incomprehensible to consider that Adam wrote of his lineage and that these writings were passed down through three people to reach the other side of the flood when what Noah did in building the ark and coordinating (through God of course) the animals being led on board. This and many other examples throughout the scriptures show how God uses man to further His purpose.

It was well within the Lord's power to instantaneously create an ark and put the animals in it, what is the point of even putting this task on Noah? Yes, God was just as capable of reciting the linage from Adam to Moses but is that how He does things? His Spirit is an absolute requirement to reveal spiritual revelations and truth but is His Spirit an absolute requirement recording earthly man's records?

I don't think Ray (or myself for that matter) are trying to set forth or promote some new unscriptural doctrine here, but when Ray first brought this up at the Conference I really did get a bit of a Eureka! moment when contemplating what an incredible gift to Moses and Israel such a handwritten record would be and of course how entirely possible it may have been.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
 

hillsbororiver:
Hi ciy,

Actually I do not think you are off topic at all, I think we can fall victim to the conventional wisdom that man in himself as individuals is steadily improving and becoming smarter and more capable. I think that is some of the residue that remains from being indoctrinated by being exposed to the doctrine of evolution. We may have better machines now than they did in the past but could that be a fulfilment of the promise and prophecy written in Daniel?

Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

If we believe the scriptures man could expect to live to be more than 500 hundred years before the flood, a tad superior to what we can now expect, even shortly after the flood man's life expectancy was way above what it is today.

The other thing we may want to consider is do you think mankind today could build the pyramids in Egypt or even Mexico and South America without heavy equipment? Especially considering the materials were transported many miles from the actual construction site(s).

How about so many of the ancient wonders that still remain to this day? How many of these modern monoliths will still be intact 2 or 3 thousand years from now, it is fascinating to contemplate.

His Peace to you,

Joe

rjsurfs:
Hi Joe,

I am glad it is now the weekend and I have more time to get into studying Bible-Truths and participating more on the forum... This was a good topic you brought up... and I notice how in your original post everything was quoted directly from Ray... with the exception of two lines:


--- Quote ---One of the many profound insights gained from the Conference last weekend was when Ray pointed out Genesis 5:1;
--- End quote ---
and

--- Quote ---Some amazing stuff to be sure.
--- End quote ---

I agree with you... and others have brought up some good points as well.  I wasn't able to be in Mobile this time... but having listened now to the audio I can say that for me Ray gives a very compelling discourse on this subject.  As usual he is organized with his ideas and the way he expresses them through-out the entire weekend talk.  I encourage everyone to listen to this complete audio at: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2641.0.html - scroll to bottom of page and you will see the 9 sessions available for listening.

When I say "compelling discourse", I don't mean to imply that this talk came off to me as just a scholarly presentation from a history professor... I believe Ray has been guided by the God's Spirit and I found all that he had to say pretty easy on the ears... not that I knew any of the information previously.  Most of the time when reading one of Ray's papers it is information that I had never thought of before... but once I hear it... it makes total sense to me... or begins to make total sense.

Having listened to the audios from the weekend now myself I share and understand your enthusiasm and amazement over the material covered.  Definitely some amazing stuff to be sure.

Bobby

ciy:
Joe

It is amazing to see all of the ancient wonders around the world that man today still cannot discern exactly how they did it.  It has been mentioned about the technology of the computer and how man cannot achieve this type of memory or storage.  I believe Adam and the early man who lived 100s of years could probably put a laptop computer to shame with what they could understand, recall, and explain.

One other thing, I really liked Ray's talk on the atom and how things are made out of things unseen.  This is something I have thought on for a couple of years and am amazed at what thinking on this leads.  I read where if an atom was the size of a pin head and you put it on the goal line of a football field the nearest electron would orbit outside of the other endzone.  This realization that everything you see is more empty space than solid is great to dwell on.

You and I talked some about this on the Off Discussion about the string theory and such.  All of this screams out God to me.  To realize the wonder of it all and His awesome creation that we still do not know very much about.

Ray does not need to wait til next year on this.  He needs to feed a little at a time at the least.
CIY

Deborah-Leigh:
Well I am only getting to listening to the Audios now because lightening hit out our electricity lines and damaged the computer. Now spiritual lightening is hitting my brain waves and damaging carnal thinking ;D

What a magnificent example of how to THINK and how to STUDY and how to evaluate and perceive the Truths of God's Word Ray demonstrates for us through this latest study he shares!

There is so much light in this teaching we have to throw out the old to welcome the new!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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