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Adam's Book
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: musicman on November 08, 2007, 04:46:23 PM ---
The only problem here Joe, is that we don't know for sure whether these are exact generational geneologies. I think we can be sure of how old Abraham would be today but I'm not so sure of the prior generations. Do the scriptures say that any of these people Ray mentioned, as being alive at the same time?
Hi musicman, (by the way it was great seeing and talking to you at the Conference)
If you follow the geneologies that Ray provided and verify them scripturally you will see that their lives did indeed overlap, although it is not recorded or implied that Adam and Methusalah lived next door to each other or hung out on a regular basis, but they did share 243 years on this earth together, and I can assure you if my Grandfather or great, great, great, Grandfather was the very first man created by the Creator (walking with Him in Eden) I would (and I am sure most here would as well) be all over him with questions and would be listening very carefully to the answers.
Basically, I'm suggesting that mankind has existed for more than 6000 years.
At the Nashville '07 Conference Ray made a very compelling case for this as well.
His Peace to you Brother,
Joe
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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: steve on November 08, 2007, 05:37:10 PM ---
Papyrus has been used to record some of the oldest records outside of the Scriptures, it seems like a good choice for record keeping. Papyrus grows in water throughout the Middle East, surely the Israelites didn't wander in the wilderness for forty years without seeing water somewhere. This would have been a great medium for the original histories.
Hi Steve,
You are absolutely correct, there have also been copper scrolls as well, written languages existed in Egypt and in Sumeria as early as 3000 B.C.
I may have misunderstood, but I always accepted the idea that God inspired Moses to write Genesis.
This is kind of a "whoa" moment, that some of the histories could even have come from as far back as Adam.
Peace,
Steve
It had the same effect on me as well! ;)
His Peace to you,
Joe
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Kat:
Hi musicman,
--- Quote ---Do the scriptures say that any of these people Ray mentioned, as being alive at the same time?
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I thinks Ray used a timeline that does indicate that there was people's lives that overlapped. So this would make it possible for this "book" to only have to change hands a few times.
In a Bible study a few months back Ray gave a short timeline of important Biblical dates. I will try to reproduce that here.
DATES TO REMEMBER
Things make a lot more sense if we can put them into some sort of a frame of reference.
Mobile - south USA - North America - earth - solar system - Milky Way Galaxy.............
We will start with Adam and Eve and move forward:
Adam and Eve ----------------------------------4000-BC
Cain murders Abel -------------------------------3900- wheel is
Methuselah is born-------------------------------3250- invented
Adam dies age 930 ------------------------------3000+ 3700
Noah is born ------------------------------------2885
Noah's flood [Methuselah dies at 969] ------------2285
Babel, languages confused -----------------------2150+ copper & gold
Abraham born -----------------------------------1995 mined
Noah dies age 950 [500 pre&post flood]-----------1935
Sodom & cities burned ---------------------------1900-
Isaac [Abraham's (100 yrs old) first son] is born ---1895
Jacob & Esau born -------------------------------1835
Jacob & Leah have 6 sons in 7 yrs -
[first children of Israel] ---------------------------1777
Joseph viceroy of Egypt [famine ends] -------------1700
Israel prospers in Egypt for 150 yrs ----------------1600 King 'Tut' reigns
Israel slaves of Egypt for 175 yrs ------------------1450 9 yrs - 1350
Moses leads exodus [Ten Commandments]----------1275
Israel invades Canaan and
walls of Jericho fall --------------------------------1234 Pyramid building
Philistines in Canaan -------------------------------1190 in Mexico
Samson is born ------------------------------------1090
Samuel leads Israel for 40 yrs ----------------------1050-
David born at Bethlehem ---------------------------1034
Saul first king of Israel -----------------------------1025
David king of Israel - rules for 40 yrs. ---------------1000+
David dies at age 69 and
Solomon rules 40 yrs - begins building temple ---------965 Greek writer
Solomon turns all Israel to idolatry -------------------935 Homer - 800
Elijah & Baal priests ---------------------------------860+
Jonah - Assyria's enemy -----------------------------777 Hanging Gardens
Israel falls to Assyria --------------------------------700 of Babylon,
Babylon takes Judah - Temple burned - Buddha in China
Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah -----------------------------600- Confucius - 550
Zechariah calls for new Temple -----------------------520
Worship restored by Malachi, Ezra & Nehemiah --------450 Plato in Athens
Books of OT are now called Scripture -----------------350 Socrates 400
Temple built in Samaria and
Alexander conquers Palestine peacefully --------------333
Egypt rules Palestine 100 yrs., many Jews in Egypt ----300
Septuagint: the law from Hebrew to Greek ------------250
Antiochus III of Syria conquers Palestine --------------200
Antiochus IV defukes Temple - burns the Law and
dedicates it to Zeus ---------------------------------167
Antiochus V rescinds decree against Jewish Law and
Temple is rededicated = Hanukkah --------------------164
Rome rules Judea -------------------------------------64
Herod the Great is made king of the Jews and
rebuilds the Temple -----------------------------------37 world population
Jesus is born -----------------------------------------4-3 250 million
Resurrection -----------------------------------------30AD
Titus demolishes Jersalem & Judea ---------------------70
Hope this helps :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
fe32k:
--- Quote ---I can assure you if my Grandfather or great, great, great, Grandfather was the very first man created by the Creator (walking with Him in Eden) I would (and I am sure most here would as well) be all over him with questions and would be listening very carefully to the answers.
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Hi Joe,
But it is very possible that as all people today that take grand things for granted, being the first man might have been something that was taken for granted, not necessarily by Adam, but his Children and childrens children, and so on. I doubt that it was known what type of work God was doing on this earth, since a strange work it is. Just a thought...
Roy
ciy:
Just a couple of comments.
I remember listening to my grandfather (who died in 1957) and grandmother tell tales of the early 1900's and my aunts and uncles also would tell great tales. I can assure you that what ever Adam said was told and retold through several generations.
Also on an earlier post it was mentioned that we are not running down but getting better physically. I believe the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that any process degrades and erodes over time. And our kids are not getting better nutrition than earlier American generations (or my generation). Happy meals, cokes, and pop tarts just do not have the essential minerals and vitamins that our kids need to grow healthy bones and immune systems. Growth hormones in chickens, beef, and all animals is the only answer for the tremendous growth spurt in the last 30 years. They pump them full to bring them to maturity in about 1/5 the time and we eat it. Just think that in 1964 the University of Alabama won the national championship with 1 man on the roster weighing over 200 lbs and he was a running back. In 40 years now virtually every 1-A college has an offensive line that averages over 300 lbs. You got to know something is not right.
Sorry for getting so far off of subject.
CIY
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