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Adam's Book
fe32k:
It is very interesting though that Adam named ALL the animals. I am certain he did not name them to just forget what he named them a few days later. Amazing huh? I doubt anyone can accomplish this feet today. Except the Rain man! ;D
Roy
musicman:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on November 07, 2007, 11:51:51 AM --- One of the many profound insights gained from the Conference last weekend was when Ray pointed out Genesis 5:1;
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Here is a quote from Ray;
"But what about the book of Genesis? Did God write that for Moses as well? There already apparently existed histories and genealogies of Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, and Jacob's children."
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
He goes on to say;
"And notice carefully that the history and genealogical descent of Adam and Eve was taken from a pre-existant "book."
Hebrew
(Book) H5612
ספרה ספר
sêpher siphrâh
say'-fer, sif-raw'
From H5608; properly writing (the art or a document); by implication a book: - bill, book, evidence, X learn [-ed] (-ing), letter, register, scroll.
"Surely Noah preserved these records and books on the ark and passed them on to his kin and lineage.
Consider: Methuselah (born in 3254) knew his great great great great grandfather Adam for 243 years before Adam died in 3011. And Methuselah knew Noah (born 2885) for 600 years before he died in the year of the flood, 2285. After the flood Noah and his family settled in Mesopotamia (Iraq) where Abraham was born in 1995, and Noah did not die until 1935. Abraham knew his ancestral father Noah for 60 years. Jacob (Abraham's grandson born 1835) knew his grandfather Abraham for 15 years. And Moses of course is a distant grandson of Jacob.
These books and documents had to change hands only three times to arrive at Abraham on this side of the flood. Jacob and his family did not start out in Egypt as slaves but as guests of Joseph and the Pharoah. And somewhere in Israel for 400 years during their stay in Egypt, these books and records were preserved!
Some amazing stuff to be sure.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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The only problem here Joe, is that we don't know for sure whether these are exact generational geneologies. I think we can be sure of how old Abraham would be today but I'm not so sure of the prior generations. Do the scriptures say that any of these people Ray mentioned, as being alive at the same time?
Genesis states often that at a certain age someone becomes the father of another. Yet in other times it merely lists the sons of one. I find it interesting that Cush had sons: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabteca. Then imediately following, Gen. 10:8 states that Cush was the father of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. Shouldn't Nimrod have been listed as one of Cush's sons?
I'm only suggesting that possibly, the early chronologies list major figures and the ages at which that person had a son, who is the grandfather (great, great,etc.) of another major figure.
Basically, I'm suggesting that mankind has existed for more than 6000 years.
musicman:
--- Quote from: fe32k on November 08, 2007, 04:29:04 PM ---It is very interesting though that Adam named ALL the animals. I am certain he did not name them to just forget what he named them a few days later. Amazing huh? I doubt anyone can accomplish this feet today. Except the Rain man! ;D
Roy
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But give me time and I could list them on paper. Also, a modern computer could hold thousands of such lists.
Yes, I'm sure Adam had a great memory, but I betchya a computer would have been rather conveniant. But I doubt that he knew how to make one.
steve:
I may be missing the big picture here and if I am I'm sure somebody can splain it to me. I believe there has been writing for as long as history. History is a record of where we have been so far. Before there was a record called history, some describe a place called prehistory. If there was a record it had to be kept on something. If it wasn't kept on something, then how could we call it a record. A record is something that has a more lasting form than an oral tradition. It isn't a big stretch that if Adam or someone close to him was a central character in our early history then they could write.
Papyrus has been used to record some of the oldest records outside of the Scriptures, it seems like a good choice for record keeping. Papyrus grows in water throughout the Middle East, surely the Israelites didn't wander in the wilderness for forty years without seeing water somewhere. This would have been a great medium for the original histories.
I may have misunderstood, but I always accepted the idea that God inspired Moses to write Genesis.
This is kind of a "whoa" moment, that some of the histories could even have come from as far back as Adam.
Peace,
Steve
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on November 09, 2007, 12:58:49 AM ---One thing that is FORGOTTEN in these sort of discussions ...is the FACT Adam did not just have any man's language embedded in him.
1st Adam has the LIVING WORD of God in him and that is far superior than any known nano-super computer to date.
upon 1st Adam's creation there existed COMMUNICATION between God and man; and between man and beast, how else can man have DOMINION over the all the beast of the land.
Not until the 2nd Adam comes along and patterns how to put the Living Word to Use,,, is the Significance understood SPIRITUALLY .
However interesting the book of Genesis is, the FACT still remains, the BOOK is still a PARABLE !
milk and cookies
Rodger
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Hi Rodger,
It is great to see you again and you raised a couple excellent points, one point was not totally forgotten though. ;)
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on November 08, 2007, 05:50:17 AM ---
I suspect the language Adam spoke in the garden was perhaps the most descriptive, poetic language the earth has seen in the history of man as this was the language Adam would have learned directly from the Lord, what did Adam use to name the animals in the Garden?
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His Peace to you,
Joe
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