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God is creating (present) man in His image?
Joey Porter:
Thanks to all for the replies and research.
ertsky:
lightseeker
neither Ray nor Mike or hardly anyone here at bt accepts the doctrine of the trinity!
it's a false doctrine lightseeker
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html
have a read and see what you think
f
Lightseeker:
ertsky
--- Quote ---neither Ray nor Mike or hardly anyone here at bt accepts the doctrine of the trinity!
it's a false doctrine lightseeker
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html
have a read and see what you think
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f
Thanks for the feedback on that local doctrinal POV. I'll take a look at the teaching. I don't fully accepts many of the traditional points concerning the doctrine to begin with. But the point of us being a trinity is consisitant with the image concept...I think. :wink: I often fellowship with people who are considered as "cults" :evil: by the nominal church, simply because they don't believe in the trinity doctrine. I respond with the fact that nothing in the bible requires belief in the trinity for being birthed into the family of God. And I haven't found a person or group yet that didn't have what I considered to be 'false doctrine'. I'm sure I do...and if I knew which part was false I'd change it.
I now just tell people, "It's good to have the opinion that you are right, but it is bad to have the opinion that everyone else is wrong." I've come to that position from 34 years of changing my doctrinal opinions. 8)
ertsky:
it seems pretty straight forward to me Lightseeker :)
the trinity is a false doctrine
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
--- Quote ---it is bad to have the opinion that everyone else is wrong
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Lightseeker that sort of statement doesn't fit at all into my understanding of faithfulness to the doctrine of Christ
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
or
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
i have no unity with trinitarians, they are decieved
i should know i used to be one :) how i rue the day i accepted that false doctrine.
are you a trinitarian Lightseeker, your post sure made it look that way ?
f
Lightseeker:
ertsky,
--- Quote ---it seems pretty straight forward to me Lightseeker
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That's the very point that I was making earlier. Things that the church taught seemed 'pretty straight foreward to me'...years ago...and now, I no longer believe them. Take the following verse which you quoted.
--- Quote ---Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
--- End quote ---
Because man capitalized the S I used to believe that The Holy Spirit dwelled within me too. Now I don't. I believe my spirit became holy upon the new birth. The only body that I see The Holy Spirit in, is the 'many membered' 'singular body' of Christ Rom 12:5, 1Cor 12:12, Eph 2:19-22, . But that should be another thread. :shock:
--- Quote ---Lightseeker that sort of statement doesn't fit at all into my understanding of faithfulness to the doctrine of Christ
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You should reread your 1John and Titus quotes in context. I think you'll find that fellowship isn't based upon your/my doctrinal talk...it's based upon our walk...in obedience to the commandments. That's in both of your quotes...start at verse 1 and read them again. You're making 'fellowship requirements' which are based upon agreement, which simply makes a 'dead letter' of the law of doctrine IMO. Personally, I'd rather talk it wrong and walk it right than talk it right and walk it wrong. On the day of judgment we'll all be judged for every deed ... not every doctrine.
--- Quote ---TIT 3:10 A man that is an heretick/0141 after the first and second admonition reject;
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0141 hairetikos: a schismatic
Know what a schismatic is f? According to scripture it isn't someone who believes in heresy...it's someone who divides the church over differences of opinion. One saying I'm of Paul, Appolos, Cephas.
1CO 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Approval from God doesn't come from 'talking' in oneness but 'walking' in oneness. All the above is just my opinion of course. :D
Sorry this was so long.
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