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God is creating (present) man in His image?
Lightseeker:
Frank,
--- Quote ---Lightseeker are you a trinitarian or not?
your post certainly indicated you are
if you are, you are in error and need to repent of that false doctrine
thats my love there Lightseeker
trying to warn you and others that the trinity doctrine is false
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I believe the Rev. quote is spoken from my Lord and savior. And if He was rebuking/chastening me....I would repent. But since it's you who as much as called me a 'false prophet' in a previous post. I think I wait for someone with a better 'discerning of spirits', if that's OK with you brother. I think you're one even if you don't think I am. 8)
Rev 3:19 I, as many "as I love, I rebuke and I chasten." Be zealous, then, and repent.
Your second verse confirms the same authority source. That isn't why you only gave an address is it? Please let me do it for you.
PRO 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
To answer your question as best I can: All I know for sure is that 'great is the mystery of god'. I also know that I am a spirit, soul, and body (1Thes 5:23). Or as I prefer to say, I am a spirit I have a soul and I live in a body. Are you? If so, then are you a trinity? I guess I wouldn't consider myself one by any of the definitions of the nomial church. Hope that helps.
Well I'm off to homegroup seeya lovya bye.
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: Lightseeker ---Frank,
--- Quote ---Lightseeker are you a trinitarian or not?
your post certainly indicated you are
if you are, you are in error and need to repent of that false doctrine
thats my love there Lightseeker
trying to warn you and others that the trinity doctrine is false
--- End quote ---
I believe the Rev. quote is spoken from my Lord and savior. And if He was rebuking/chastening me....I would repent. But since it's you who as much as called me a 'false prophet' in a previous post. I think I wait for someone with a better 'discerning of spirits', if that's OK with you brother. I think you're one even if you don't think I am. 8)
Rev 3:19 I, as many "as I love, I rebuke and I chasten." Be zealous, then, and repent.
Your second verse confirms the same authority source. That isn't why you only gave an address is it? Please let me do it for you.
PRO 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
To answer your question as best I can: All I know for sure is that 'great is the mystery of god'. I also know that I am a spirit, soul, and body (1Thes 5:23). Or as I prefer to say, I am a spirit I have a soul and I live in a body. Are you? If so, then are you a trinity? I guess I wouldn't consider myself one by any of the definitions of the nomial church. Hope that helps.
Well I'm off to homegroup seeya lovya bye.
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Lightseeker, I think your hugest error leading to your belief in the Trinity is your misunderstanding of the composition of a human being. You believe a human is made up of three parts, i.e. body, spirit, soul. This doctrine, however, has influences from pagan philosophy, such as Plato, who taught dualism of body and soul and the immortality of the soul—all of which are anti-Scriptural.
For example, God created man in two stages, resulting in man's living form.
[1] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
[2] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
[3] and man became a living soul (Gen 2:7, KJV).
Man become a "living soul" after God formed him from the dust and breathed into him life. The soul is not a separate component of a human but is indeed the human him or herself.
I am a soul, you are a soul, however, I do not have a soul, considering I AM the soul. When I die, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecc 12:7, KJV). There is, however, no third part. I have a body with a spark in it that animates it. I am the soul. Take away my spirit, and I am no longer a soul.
If you think about it, the creation of man supports a unity, and not a Trinity. Jesus and God are two beings that make up one flesh or Elohim, just like a Spirit and body are two separate components that make up a living soul; just like a man and woman are two genders that become one through the flesh—which was all created thus and written for our “admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come� (1Co 10:11, KJV).
I'd be glad to debate with you via AIM, MSN, or PM.
PS. Keep studying. Discovering who and what Christ is and who and what the Father is and their relationship is the most difficult of the searches the elect engage in. I, myself, have been struggling with whether or not Jesus is Yahweh. However, I stand strong to the fact that "to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1Co 8:6, KJV).
Keep seeking the light, but listen to the nightmare! Har har har.
ertsky:
i think lightseeker's posts are deceptive
--- Quote ---There is a cry from the seed/spirit that is in every man. And the spirit/seed that's in every man, came from "the Father of spirits" and "God of the spirits of all flesh". Every human is born with an inherent desire to manifest the likeness of Him.
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WHAT!
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Joh 6:44 No one is able to come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day.
--- Quote --- Unfortunately the unsaved world is still seeking via the tree of knowledge,
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no it's the called (babylon) who don't know the hidden wisdom, because it's hidden in Him and they won't go to Him that they might have life.
--- Quote ---Adam and Eve's 'soulish deception' is what sentenced them to being dying souls instead of the 'living souls' they were, when they walked in obedience.
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God knew they would sin He made them that way (hearts desperately weak) , it is Plan A.
before eve sinned by taking and eating the forbidden fruit she had already shown lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and pride of life.
--- Quote ---It appears that man was/is created and formed in the "image of God"
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WRONG!
it's a process we are being formed
we like our Master are learning obedience through the things we suffer
we are learning to choose the good and refuse the bad, Christ is being formed within us
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
--- Quote ---He is a triune being of Father, Son, Spirit.
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false doctrine
1Co 8:6 but to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him.
all of this from one post by lightseeker
post full of error, deceptive misleading error
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
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Lightseeker:
Nightmare S, You really are going to have to explain your username for the newguy. :?
--- Quote ---This doctrine, however, has influences from pagan philosophy, such as Plato, who taught dualism of body and soul and the immortality of the soul—all of which are anti-Scriptural.
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Don't know what to tell you except I've never read Plato, but base my understanding on scripture which says YOUR whole spirit, soul, body.
--- Quote ---For example, God created man in two stages, resulting in man's living form.
[1] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
[2] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
[3] and man became a living soul (Gen 2:7, KJV).
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Reason with me for a moment. In step 1 is formed past tense? So when God formed the dust what was laying there devoid of breath? According to scripture/[1] it was man as a body. When God breathed (present tense) into that man of dust the breath/spirit of life...he/man now was a body and spirit. Ever hear of a human vegetable...it's someone who is alive spirit/body but their soul (mind will intellect) is checked out. Not their brain, but their soul (let the reader understand). What happened next after step 1,2? Man became (future tense) a 'living soul' versus a 'dying soul' IMO.
A living soul is someone who is being led of the Sspirit of life and not led by the 'lust of their flesh' (body) or the 'lust of the eyes' (soul) or by the 'pride of life' (spirit) (false spirit of pride). All those sources lead to being a dying soul.
When we're not led, of His/our Sspirit of life, but a false spirit we have entered into the sentence of death (in the day [not a 24 hr period in that scripture] that thou eatest thou shalt surely die). That's what happened to Adam and Eve when they followed after all that is in the world: the lust of their flesh body ("woman saw that the tree was good for food') and the lust of their eyes/soul ("it was pleasant to the eyes") and false spirit of life ("a tree to be desired to make one wise").
--- Quote ---Man become a "living soul" after God formed him from the dust and breathed into him life. The soul is not a separate component of a human but is indeed the human him or herself.
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Please explain 1Thes 5:23 from your position.
--- Quote ---I am a soul, you are a soul, however, I do not have a soul, considering I AM the soul. When I die, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecc 12:7, KJV). There is, however, no third part. I have a body with a spark in it that
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MAT 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. What's missing in this verse? The spirit which returned to God as you correctly understand/quoted from Ecc 12:7.
--- Quote ---Take away my spirit, and I am no longer a soul.
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Correct...you're a dead man body/soul because your spirit man departed just like: LUK 8:55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway:
--- Quote ---I'd be glad to debate with you via AIM, MSN, or PM.
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Know what :?: I'm not young enough or computer literate enough to even know what those things are. Actually I've got my hands full here right now. I do have to work for a living also. The length of this post was again time consuming but I am happy still dialogue with you on this thread/subject Niteguy :wink:
Frank: What can I say except I'm too busy to respond to one who already 'knows it all'. Having spent 2 years working on the kill floor of a packing plant I know that iron only sharpens iron if someone knows how to use ‘the steel’. Keep defending 'your' faith. God bless.
ertsky:
--- Quote --- Having spent 2 years working on the kill floor of a packing plant I know that iron only sharpens iron if someone knows how to use ‘the steel’.
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well i'm a musician, and having spent coming up on 30 years playing, i can tell you it's a problem if you aren't in tune. LOL!
all members of the band must tune to the same reference pitch
if you are not all in tune to the same reference pitch the result is cacophany!
the bible is our reference pitch, Christ is our measuring reference pitch.
the spirit leads us into all truth, the spirit behind the letter
so we can tune to Christ
we don't say Lord You tune to me ! :shock:
we say Lord please give us A=440Hz in the spirit so we can be in tune with You, otherwise we might get suspended from band duty for being out of tune.
lightseeker please check your tuning, that trinity doctrine is clashing with the main theme.
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