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First Adam/Second Adam
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on December 03, 2007, 06:59:33 PM ---
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
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Ahhhh back to the Parables.......
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Gregor:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on December 03, 2007, 07:58:34 PM ---My point in referencing the rapture was that the two in the field actually represents one person, not as rapture proponants teach.
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Ok, I see where you're coming from.
Back to the verses you referenced in Luke 17, they're followed by this parable:
vs. 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”
So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
Any idea as to which "body" is being referred to here, and what the eagles might represent? Is Jesus refering to the heavenlies ie: where eagles gather? Thanks in advance.
Kat:
Hi Gregor,
(CLV) Luke 17:37 And answering, they are saying to Him, "Where, Lord? Yet He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the vultures also will be assembled."
This sounds like it's talking about putting to death out carnal flesh, that is why there are vultures gathered.
1Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
Joe, this is a very interesting subject.
--- Quote ---My point in referencing the rapture was that the two in the field actually represents one person, not as rapture proponants teach.
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I could never figure what that was talking about, but what you have said must be right.
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And these Scriptures that you brought out, they are pointing to destroying the 1st Adam and purging the old leaven, so that we become a new creature. Doesn't it have the same meaning as this verse in Luke.
Luk 17:31 On that day, let him who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away; and likewise let him who is in the field not turn back.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
When Christ comes to you, you can not turn back, there is nothing of the old self that you should desire.
Luk 17:33 Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
I think this fits the theme of what you have discovered Joe.
Abigail humbled herself before King David, admitted her husband Nabel was foolish and wicked and she took responsibility for his errors and asked David for pardon and absolution. She received the mercy and grace of peace from King David and when she told Nabel this is what had happened his "heart died within him" 1 Samuel 25:37. Ten days later he was dead and Abigale became the wife of King David.
Our carnal hearts have to die within us and Christ's Life has to rise within.
Rev 2 : 28 And I will give him the Morning Star.
Rev 22 : 16 I Jesus have sent My messenger to you to witness and to give you assurance of these things for the churches, I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the radiant and brilliant Morning Star.
Isa 11 : 10 And it shall be in that day that the Root of Jesse shall stand as a signal for the peoples; of Him shall the nations inquire and seek knowledge and His dwelling shall be glory, His rest glorious!
Just having listened to Ray's teaching on the Sabbath REST, brings to mind that the circumcised are those who know God is Sovereign and for me it is this knowledge that rises up to bring rest to the soul and death to carnal works.
Thanks for a beautiful thread Joe.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
Hi Gregor,
Kat gave you the answer, this verse (Luke 17:37) you quoted is translated to vultures or buzzards in most translations not eagles. The old man dies and is consumed as the new man begins true life.
Hello Kat, your synopsis and additional scripture fits right in here, it underlines that once this process begins there is no turning back, beautiful!
Hey Arcturus, I really like what you presented from 1 Samuel in regard to Abigail and David, yes I see the correlation there. By the way at the Conference during some early morning and late hours in my motel room I found both books of Samuel fascinating, some things were just jumping off the page. I have plenty of notes perhaps I will start some topics for us to search out in Samuel 1 & 2.
Thank you all for your responses and contributions.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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