> General Discussions
First Adam/Second Adam
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 27, 2008, 01:09:25 PM ---
Sorry. That might have been too long winded for some :D
--- End quote ---
Absolutely not!
Beautiful post Arcturus, thank you Sister,
Roy Monis:
Hi! brother Joe.
"Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left." (Matt.24:40,41). This Scripture has been a headache for me for sometime, and I didn't have a clue till I read the discussion between you and Kat.
Using the flood in the OT as an example for us today it makes very good sense even to the likes of me. In each reference to, two, it is noticeable that they are of the same sex; one pair male and the other pair female. So the two are actually one person representing the carnal and spiritual in each. In Christ the carnal is left and bites the dust from whence it came whereas the spiritual is taken and rises to be with Christ.
Have I got this right? If so, thank you brother it solves a big ongoing problem for me.
God bless you.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy
hillsbororiver:
Hi Roy,
Here are a few verses to ponder on in regard to your question;
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Jam 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Roy,
--- Quote ---"Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left." (Matt.24:40,41). This Scripture has been a headache for me for sometime, and I didn't have a clue till I read the discussion between you and Kat.
--- End quote ---
Ray went over this Scripture and it's meaning in a Bible study about foundational truths. Here are some excerpts from that study that should help you with this :)
The Scripture that Joe gave will fit right in with this.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6452.0.html -----------
Mark 4:11 …Unto YOU it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Well wait a minute we have just learned something all over there again. What are the parables about? The called and the chosen, the many and the few. Now what did He say there? He just told us that, did you get it or did you just read over it and you missed it? Read it again. How many times have you read that and you missed it. YOU are the few chosen, YOU will understand these things. "Without" I teach in parables, the many hear Me, but THEY don’t get it.
Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;
So there is your two groups. This is not talking about the same person being split down the middle or something. This is talking about the called and the chosen.
v
v
Haven’t you read the one about the dragnet? You bring in the net, right and those that are without, are those thrown out. The good fish and see we have the good ground. The word going to the good ground and what is the good ground? The good people, you have the good fish, those that you take in the basket and keep.
Now I’m not going to go through all the parables today, I have another point in mind. But the principle fits here and that’s why I want to start off with the parables. There are about 40 parables in the New Testament. It starts off with the lamp under the bushel/basket, then you have the wise man, the two men in the bed.
It doesn’t mean there are just these two, it’s just two categories.
One builds his house upon the rock and the other one builds his house on the sand. This is not the same man, presented by the two men. Now it’s true that we can go from one to the other, but most of the parables present them at the same time. You can’t do it at the same time, there is a transition where you repent and you are converted and you become the new person and you leave the other one behind. The other one does not follow with equal stature from then on. If it does you are not producing fruit and you are not going anywhere.
So there are two different groups throughout the parables. You have the new wine and the old wine skins. The sower, that we just went through with the sower. You have the tares and the wheat. The tares and the wheat are growing together, but they are not the same. Because those that are the tares will be thrown into fire. You can not be gathered into the barn and thrown into the fire at the same time. People will not be in the kingdom of God and in the fire at the same time. There comes a part where you separate these two and that happens at resurrection. Those that enter the kingdom and those that are without and are going to be judged.
Sometimes a parable will emphasize the Elect, sometimes it puts emphasis on the many. But the opposite is always in view. They talk about the bad, but that doesn’t negate the fact that this is the opposite of those that are good.
v
v
The parables are all talking about the same thing. If you understand that, you should understand that the two in the field and the two women grinding at the mill can not be one and the same person. I mean we are getting into a kind of trinity here.
-------------------------------------------------
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Thanks for that excerpt Kat! :)
I just love what Ray observes quote : ....there is a transition where you repent and you are converted and you become the new person and you leave the other one behind.
To me this speaks VOLUMES and has SO much encouragement. It kind of identifies how we come out of our carnality via repentance which is not by our might or our power but by His Spirit!
Thanks to you Joe :)
Peace to you
Arc.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version