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Truth101:
I just wanted to add one more thing.
It seems as though our translators in actuality never really added to the word of truth but have really taken away from the word of truth. They took any understanding away regarding important issues nessessary for the growth of the student.
By turning the word aionios into a word of timelessness they lost any hope of their eyes being opened to the very broad meaning of this word which lends a fuller understanding to the larger hope that is spoken of when this word is used.
In light of this we also understand that this strong delusion is in Gods plan for a reason.
God Bless, Dave
Deborah-Leigh:
By turning the word aionios into a word of timelessness they lost any hope of their eyes being opened to the very broad meaning of this word which lends a fuller understanding to the larger hope
Is that not just so insidiously wicked! That they TURNED the word to give ANOTHER meaning and to preach another Jesus and another Gospel of doom, torment and Hell!
Of course this is part of the Plan Procedure and Purpose of God in bringing us to know good and evil. :D and what evil it was for theologians to turn God's Word into their own merchandise!
Good observation Truth101
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
willieH:
willieH: Howdy dudes & dudelettes ;D
btw, I'm new here, and wish to note that my use of CAPS is just for emphasis, please my new friends, don't take it as shouting or condescension... thanks ;)
It is my observation that NO WORD in ANY LANGUAGE, can VALIDLY express ...ETERNITY...
Aion and Aionios BOTH deal with amounts of TIME... and can be observed as either a set period or indefinite period, but they still denote increments of TIME...
TIME is a CREATED entity which had a BEGINNING (Gen 1) and shall have an END (John 6:44 & John 12:48 = LAST DAY) That JESUS denoted there shall be a LAST DAY, by necessity, ends TIME... for TIME's foundational element is DAYS...
If DAYS end (and they MUST, for CHRIST said they would), then all the elements of a DAY end [seconds, minutes, hours], and ALL elements which consist of DAYS also end [weeks, months, years, decades, milleniums].
If TIME BEGAN, which it DID and shall END which it WILL, then (I believe that) no form of language nor finite human is capable of denoting let alone comprehending, something [INFINITE/ETERNAL] which has neither a beginning or an end.
We are all TIME BOUND beings... GOD, and the Heavenly realm, stands outside of TIME...
We exist as: "were, are, and will be"..
GOD always IS...
We are always CHANGING amidst TIME, GOD never CHANGES amidst ETERNITY...
ALL things IN TIME, have beginnings and endings... Nothing IN ETERNITY has either.
I have read an email where someone noted AION as age, and AIONIOS as ageLESS... and Ray answered that the notation of LESS does not mean MORE... which is what is implied by many who observe AIONIOS...
Again, in my observation, neither of these terms has to do with ETERNITY... both have to do with TIME... as long as it shall LAST, ...or until it ENDS (per JESUS - John 6:44 & John 12:48)...
Just my 2 centz...
peaCe...
In JESUS ...willieH ;D
Truth101:
Hi Willie and welcome, Im new on the forum as well. God bless you in His wisdom and understanding. Your post is right on. I would just like to add and little tidbit to maybe lend a fuller understanding of the word "aionios" if I may.
Again, in my observation, neither of these terms has to do with ETERNITY... both have to do with TIME... as long as it shall LAST, ...or until it ENDS (per JESUS - John 6:44 & John 12:48)...
Just my 2 centz...
Aionios is not merely an element of time. Aionios is a specific period of time that appears to be refering to a specified age which is the kingdom age. I have been studying this for some time now and this has been my conclusion but to be sure I would like to run this by Ray and get him to verify or deny it as I have done with scripture.
I would like to believe that God has given me the gift of thoroughly searching the scriptures but until I know for sure I'll leave the concluding to Ray :)
Anyways God bless and I hope this helps and hopefully someone will talk to Ray about this and share it with us on the forum. I dont have any way of comunicating with Ray as I live in Canada.
God bless and again, welcome to the forum.
Dave
Kat:
Hi WillieH,
--- Quote ---TIME is a CREATED entity which had a BEGINNING (Gen 1) and shall have an END (John 6:44 & John 12:48 = LAST DAY) That JESUS denoted there shall be a LAST DAY, by necessity, ends TIME... for TIME's foundational element is DAYS...
--- End quote ---
I do not see that time will end when Christ returns. It seems that those Scripture are talking about this church age ending. Then there will be ages to come, therefore time must go on through the ages.
Eph 2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
I not so sure that because time had a beginning, it must also have an ending. The physical creation seems to be based on time. So if time ended, wouldn't the creation end also? Maybe the "eon of the eons" means there will always be eons continually.
Eph 3:21 to Him be the glory in the ecclesia and in Christ Jesus for all the generations of the eon of the eons! Amen!
Here is an email from Ray.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2123.0.html -----
Dear Jeffrey:
I am not so sure that time ever ceases to exist. The "eons" of time cease to exist, but time itself may never cease. I have seen lately that dictionaries totally contradict their own definitions of eternal and eternity. I will write a new paper in the near future entitled "RETHINKING ETERNITY" [Does time cease at the consummation of the eons?].
God be with you,
Ray
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I'm looking forward to see what Ray has to say about 'Rethinking Eternity.'
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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