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"Church" Email to Ray
gmik:
My goodness, I will keep you in thought and prayer!
Unbelievable, yet totally believable, what Babylon does to people. It all came down that way for a reason (cavaliers and all-my husband played for UofM and had a tryout w/ the Vikings-got cut after 6 weeks-he cried and was depressed for awhile) Who knows why things turn out the way they do?? Only God. And its His plan. Boy, I don't know why it is so tough on you right now. Hopefully, you will get thru this valley/test soon.
I do pray for your finances and for the direction that God would have you go-HIS WILL.
God Bless You.
Fed Ex and Matt: It is different in all our situations. We can come out of Babylon and still "go" to a building for our families. Others feel they can't. The Lord leads each of us.
I will attend our twins' dedication -if my daughter even tells us about it. She knows how I feel about it. Our entire family went to the same church and we would usually eat out together, shop, whatever afterwards. A whole day affair. So I know they miss that! I miss seeing the grandkids every Sunday. But I just can't attend church anymore! Thats just me. I was losing interest even before finding BT.
Anyway, Matt, you won't need a straitjacket :D and Fed ex- it won't be an easy answer but I think the Lord will lead you and you will just know when it is time. I taught it a Christian school for 11 years and just shut up and overlooked what I didn't believe. It was good overall but not all kids were angels either. You can teach your kids the truth no matter where they attend. How not to offend your wife?? Teach them to LOVE JESUS and to LOVE HIS WORD. The rest can come later.
Just MHO....
Chris R:
We must remember a powerful message given us, and it concerns the good folks that attend the churches of Christendom.
Come out of her MY PEOPLE.....WHAT? Who's people? Christ tells us they are His people.
It is these that are Gods called, realizing only a few are chosen.
How did I end up here at this site? No one told me about it, I didn't get a invitation, i was searching long before I started reading this site, But thank God He led me here.
While it's true, i can no longer attend any church building, or stomach the deadly doctrines of Christendom, I realize one thing, without THAT church, I would have never been looking for the truths taught on Rays site.
It is none other than God himself that drags us to his truths. Quite extraordinary if you ask me.
Chris R
rjsurfs:
Hello All,
As I look back I was deeply rooted within Babylon since being a young child... my parents even sent me to a hoity-toity christian school growing up. As a young adult I was driven away occasionally by the hypocrisy... but had no knowledge of the truth strong enough to keep me out for good... I would always wind up back in the system, driven by guilt and hopelessly thinking what else was there afterall.
The last three years in the church I worked very up close and personal with three different ministers... and I mean all day, seven days a week. I was passionate then to find the truth as I am passionate today in keeping it and securing more. Being involved as I was and personally close with these pastors I did my arguing and debating prior to a "kick in the stomach"... similar to what Arcturus mentioned. I found Bible-Truths a good year before leaving the church, although I had not joined the forum at that time... I was quietly studying Ray's paper though on my own... I did not even share Ray's papers with my wife until we came out... about six months after that I joined the forum here.
So by then I had no desire to argue, debate, or even explain my departure... I just left, quietly... and praise God have never looked back... by His goodness.
Good topic Joe... I have considered from time to time what my role could be in assisting the friends I had that are still there. I realize however that no one could have walked me out but God and that was through the circumstance and experience of it all. God was certainly the cause... through circumstance and experience that got my brain to working and my feet to moving.
Just to touch on my stand today... Having studied and become convinced that not only is the teachings of the Lake of Fire true... but that the very scriptures of God are true... and that through the first 10 sections of the Lake of Fire, Ray, through God's word has shown me where the very throne of Satan is... within the church... I find absolutely no reason for me to be there. As a matter of fact, I take very seriously not only my avoidance of the synagogue of Satan but that of my wife and children's as well. I will not knowingly send my family whom God has given me to lead into a house of a known murderer and deceiver. I cannot express strongly enough... even if I used ALL CAPS how adamant I am on this subject. I think often of how blessed I am... I tell my wife all the time... "what are the odds?"... such as I am, God chose to pull me out of that evil... I am very grateful.
Bobby
hebrewroots98:
AMEN BOBBY, I AM THAT ADAMANT AS WELL; Although, I do know that there are others who differ and who the spirit does not have them all the way out yet for some reason. I cannot get over the fact while I am there, that THEIR GOD IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS MY GOD!!! Of course they don't get this and would call me blasphemous, but, it really makes me so spiritually ill to go into one or even be associated with a church for that reason above all othersl. Of course they do not want to hear that MY GOD WILL NOT SEND HIS PEOPLE TO HELL AS YOUR god WOULD...i :-\
phazel:
--- Quote ---The Lord most definitely uses His own to draw others to Him, we cannot of ourselves choose anyone, but we can provide an example in the way we live our lives and interact with people we come into contact with.
--- End quote ---
I attend a church right now that I know God is calling me out of. Despite that, I have come to the understanding that the church I am in presently is a part of Gods intention. The myth of free will fascinates me in the fact that as I am typing this I feel like I am in control when in reality, God knew each and every letter I would be typing way before now and designed it to happen.
That said, the illusion of free will is often a cause for us to be in a church and try to change those around us. What is even more fascinating is I have been influenced to see truth through being in the church I most likely will soon be leaving.
I have been expressing my beliefs in settings where the assumption is discussion knowing that it was far from that reality. The second I proposed something that wasn't in agreement with the christian "norm" I was argued "at". I say that simply because my only responce was to seek Gods truth and they didn't have to take my word for it, just because I spoke. The argument then ends.
The point in all of this is I am glad to have been in the church I am in despite those who I know dislike me because of my beliefs, because God intended it to happen.
The reality is that I really only chose to believe this because God intends for me to think this way right now and maybe it is truth that will stay with me forever.
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