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"Church" Email to Ray
gmik:
I hadn't seen that e mail. Thanks for bringing it to our attention Joe. I love Ray's answer too.
I don't usually say anything to anyone about anything period!!! (2 years ago I wouldve been shocked that I would say that)
But, the few that I (early on) did try to tell, well, they just don't ask anything. Apparently they don't want to know more! That is what I don't get! Some when they ask me where I go to church now, and I say, oh I don't GO to a church, they never pursue it. One time, I actually showed a friend the forum and some of the threads. Oh, cool, she said. Has never mentioned it again!
I think you are right Joe, about them being content where they are at and of course God is not drawing them to the truth.
I have directed a few to the BT site and again, never get any feedback. I am so glad to have the forum to be able to at least talk and share w/ like-minded.
PS The church we left when we found BT we had gone to for over 10 years. I never once felt compelled to tell the pastor anything...nor have we gotten 1 single call or letter as to what happened or why we left!! The assistant pastor married our son/daughter in law and my son had told him, but we didn't know that and he never said a word to us.
Fedex Guy:
Hi all,
I still attend an AG church and it's painful. Instead of saying "Amen", I say to myself "now that's just not right", and I do keep it to myself. I feel a bit hypocritical but I have several motives for attending this particular church. My family and I were attending an Evangelical church which I liked a lot. But something happened in my daughter's school and we had to take her out of the public school. We couldn't afford to send both kids (my son is 6, daughter is 8) to a Christian school but we found one that was affordable. It's a local church school. The only catch is that we had to be members. Am I a hypocrite? I'm doing this for my kids, so they won't be exposed to poison of the public schools. Another reason I stay is my wife seems to like it, and also my brother, who has always been a tough nut to crack (having been involved in a cult for many years) is starting to attend on a regular basis. My mother also likes it, but she would go wherever I go.
One problem is my kids are going to find out soon that I no longer agree doctrinally with the church. They know I'm writting a book (not really a book, just maybe a webpage or something - but it's already 32 pages long), and they sometimes ask questions. I tell them not to tell anyone, but you know how kids are.
hebrewroots98:
Hi Fedexguy!
What a predicament you are in. I would say that since you are being bothered by this then that is a sign (from above) that you should do something about it. I know that is a hared saying, but, there is always homeschooling too. (This is one reason why I homeschool...to keep Daniel out of the public schools and now the churches altogehter.) I f you take one step at a time (as the Spirit is leading), then it won't seem so overburdening to you as if you did too many changes all at one time; but then again, who am I to say that maybe the Spirit might want for you to make alot of changes all at once; only you would know here?.) I know that it is hard to come out of Babylon all together, especially when you are getting pressure from FAMILY. They can and will put guilt trips on you if you let them (for leaving the 'church'...) (I know, mine do), but, hopefully the more that you live the truth in front of them, the more they should see that you are going to stick to your convictions and the more that they will see that you are consitant, stable, and immovable over time. Just pray for confirmatins as to what you should do. When the time is right, God will make the way straight for you to go through....who knows once they see the fruits of peace and love for truth in your life, they might want to join your way of thinking too. Just remember that YOU (not your wife) will be the accountable spiritual covering of your family. God has a place for everyone to be, and most will stay in Babylon...(narrow is the path to righteousness...) Sounds like the kids are more receptive right now than the adults?
Let us know the progress brother! :D
Matt:
I went to my old church last week, for my wife's sake. The pastor spoke about God's sovereignty and how it is only related to ownership ???
He used the analogy of a father owning a car. He said that when his son wants to borrow it, the father has no control as the son drives, but he still owns the car, the son is still responsible for how he drives it.
NO scripture to back this up by the way ::) (Dad still pays for any accidents too!)
Ray is so right when he says that people just don't believe the word of God. I feel sad about this.
My wife does not understand very much about the truths we discuss here.
Every time I try to show her them, she stares at me with that "I will pray for you" look.
She told me that she is praying that I get filled with the holy spirit and start to speak in tongues, etc...
Get me a straight jacket if that happens! ;D
I pray that God reveals Himself to her soon!
dch1:
Thank JESUS that I had already been removed from the church i was attending because i know I would have used some scriptural karate to kick my pastor in the gut. :-[ I was the minister of worship in my church and my wife was the Secretary. We went weeks not getting paid. all in the name of GOD. sacrificing all. >:( I am a basketball player and needed our money for me to train. I had a workout with the Cleveland cavaliers of the NBA coming up.My wife found out that there had been lies being told by the pastors years before we got there and are still telling everyone there the same thing. the lie is that they want to buy the church. they have been in this location for 8 yrs and have come into millions but they have still not bought the church. Everybody struggling to make it and they are driving around in hummers and such. But every sunday there was a cry for money. My wife found out because she is a very precise in what she does(manager of a loan store). Finance is her thing. When she told me I could not believe it. To make a long story short we ended up almost getting evicted and put on the streets. We have 5 children all under11. Needless to say i went to Cleveland out of shape and did not even make it to the summer league team which is J.V. The coach said i was one of the best basketball players he had ever seen but i was out of shape. And the for me to come home was all we had left because they had still not paid my wife. Oh yea the pastor bought a new boat while i was gone and my wife went to the pastor and asked for her money. he said they did not have it. She had to get napkins from McDonald's to use the bathroom. We are just now coming out of debt and I am now trying to get back in shape. I hope and pray God brings it back around. Those chances don't come everyday. I cried for days and sometimes now But God is so Good. All of this equated to my eyes being opened by the lord to the truth of his word.
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