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Joey Porter:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 ---Guys, think of this.

If we fight EVIL with EVIL, EVIL IS THE WINNER. We must fight EVIL with Good, remember our fight is not with the people of this world but with greater matters.

So in the sence of protecting a loved one, one must have faith in God, because the Lord is in COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONTROLE, He will have His will be, no matter your choice of action, so why not just let it go and trust Him fully?


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Also remember, however, that we should never used God's sovereignty as a license to do nothing.  Paul beat his body and made it a slave, he ran the race to be the winner, to obtain the prize that he saught.  He did acknowledge God's sovereignty and credited all of his works to God's grace, but did not use God's sovereignty as a reason for inaction.

Remember something else that Christ said - out of the hearts of men proceed wicked thoughts and curses.  I have shown examples of how it could be possible to take physical action against someone without evil or malicious intent.  If some scenario like this came to pass, what would be our motive for taking action?  Hate, vengeance, rage?  These would all be considered sinful reasons for taking action.

It is very, very easy to say what we would do in a given situation, but to actually do it when the situation arises is something that none of us could know for sure.  I believe that only by some type of divine intervention right on the spot could I be stopped from physically defending my family from an attacker.  If it would be a sin for me to do so, I would have to confess it and bear the consequence of it.

eutychus:

--- Quote from: bobf ---We are to love our enemies and not to return evil for evil under any condition whatsoever and instead to commit ourselves to Him who judges righteously.  And I hope that is what I would do.

Even in the case of trying to save a loved one, we have the example of Peter who tried to save Christ and Jesus rebuked Him with "all who take up the sword will die by the sword."
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Christ rebuked peter because he was interfearing with the cross.



 if an intruder was going to hurt a child, and you stoped him, you would be the intruder a favor!!!

 Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


Mat 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.



 I pray with all i have NONE of you are ever put in that situation.

 love
chuckt

Kevin:
Joey you asked what our motive will be. My motive would be love. For I love my family and friends. I could not stand idle and watch a loved one get killed. If something happened so fast, I dont think I would be thinking hate, rage, or vengeance. I would be thinking protect my family.
Lets say someone came into your home and started hacking your family. You mean to tell me that someone is gonna just sit on the couch with a coke in their hand and watch it happen. Im sorry but thats just not thinking realistically. I know for me that I would do everything in my God given power to stop that person.
I pray to God that nothing like this will ever happen to me or anyone else reading this.[/quote]

leeney:
Wow, what powerful repsonses, and so many!  thank you all for your input into this subject.

  It seems these are directed to the one-on-one idea.  What are your thoughts on country against country?  Steve, you said you were a soldier?  I have a nephew who just spent several months in Iraq as a marine.  He is also a Christian, and since his tour, has become much more serious about his faith.  He sees no contraditions with his faith and his 'job'.  What are your beliefs about this, may I ask?  

  leeney

leeney:
Oop, sorry!  Forgot to edit.  I really can spell--honest!
leeney

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