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Hell vs. the Lake of Fire
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Bradigans on March 15, 2008, 09:34:22 AM ---Well, let me ask a question. Who has the keys of Hell and of death?
- Revelation 1:18 - I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Folks are still thinking like you have to die physically to go to heaven, you have to die physically to go to hell. What did Jesus say?
- Matthew 6:19-21 - Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is (Romans 14:17), (spirit) be also.
Carnal thinking gives folks misrepresentation of scripture. Whereever your treasure is that's where your heart will be. Just like you've got people living in heaven today (heaven while they're on earth according to Romans 14:17), you've also got folks living in hell on earth.
- Jesus said (Matthew 7:16) - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Folks living in hell while on earth if they don't repent and come to Him who has the keys will eventually experience the first death. What is the first death? Look at how more and more folks are getting hooked on prescription medications for depression, mania, anxieties. You're seeing folks living in the 1st death. They still have a chance to come to Christ up till second death which comes after these die the physical and means complete eradication. There's no eternal suffering hell hole forever and ever, because these will be thrown into the lake of fire for complete dismembered (spirit, soul, body) and eradication never to exist (TO BE) again (Matthew 3:12, Matthew 13:30, Luke 3:17). It will be all over for them. God bless that no one suffers forever and ever throughout what they (THE HARLOT CHURCH) calls eternity.
IN HIS LOVE
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Revelation 20:13-15 - And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Kent:
--- Quote from: David on March 15, 2008, 06:15:40 AM ---
One of the Deacons actually said to me once, "That's the book in the Bible I never bother reading, I don't think its meant for us."
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He was right.
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: David on March 15, 2008, 06:15:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Paul on March 14, 2008, 10:24:46 PM ---It completely baffles me how King James-onlyists can go around talking about people burning in hell for all eternity, when their very Bible says hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire!
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Most of the Christians I've come into contact with, no mater which Bible version they read from, don't even know those scriptures are in revelation. The Church I came out of wouldn't even talk about that book, let alone teach from it..........save for one scripture which they used as an evangelical scripture.....rev 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."........Not one of them actually got that this scripture is included in a chapter that is an admonition, a rebuke, a warning if you will to the CHURCH.
One of the Deacons actually said to me once, "That's the book in the Bible I never bother reading, I don't think its meant for us." The Pastor said during a service one time "If we were to go to revelation, I doubt there are two people here that would have the same opinion as to what it means, that's why this book is never referred to in this Church."
Yes, a lot of Hell fire preachers have a hard time explaining that scripture away.
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The book of THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST is a personal book to each individual son of God. You're really suppose to go at it alone and wait for the Revelations of His HOLY SPIRIT.
- Revelation 1:3 - Blessed is he(the individual) that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
It's dangerous as a son of God to read everyone else's interpretation, although they might be right in many areas, on THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST. There's a special seal on it.
- Revelation 10:4 - And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Be careful what you entertain, because a lot out here is just speculative.
IN HIS LOVE
David:
--- Quote from: Bradigans on March 15, 2008, 11:15:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: David on March 15, 2008, 06:15:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Paul on March 14, 2008, 10:24:46 PM ---It completely baffles me how King James-onlyists can go around talking about people burning in hell for all eternity, when their very Bible says hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire!
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Most of the Christians I've come into contact with, no mater which Bible version they read from, don't even know those scriptures are in revelation. The Church I came out of wouldn't even talk about that book, let alone teach from it..........save for one scripture which they used as an evangelical scripture.....rev 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."........Not one of them actually got that this scripture is included in a chapter that is an admonition, a rebuke, a warning if you will to the CHURCH.
One of the Deacons actually said to me once, "That's the book in the Bible I never bother reading, I don't think its meant for us." The Pastor said during a service one time "If we were to go to revelation, I doubt there are two people here that would have the same opinion as to what it means, that's why this book is never referred to in this Church."
Yes, a lot of Hell fire preachers have a hard time explaining that scripture away.
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The book of THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST is a personal book to each individual son of God. You're really suppose to go at it alone and wait for the Revelations of His HOLY SPIRIT.
- Revelation 1:3 - Blessed is he(the individual) that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
It's dangerous as a son of God to read everyone else's interpretation, although they might be right in many areas, on THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST. There's a special seal on it.
- Revelation 10:4 - And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Be careful what you entertain, because a lot out here is just speculative.
IN HIS LOVE
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Hi Bradigans.
Thank for sharing your insight, however I must respectfully disagree with your analysis.
There are many scriptures where the word he is used but I believe does not mean in the individual personal sense.
Matt 10:22 22And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. I believe the word he means "they that endure to the end".
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
1 Cor 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
"The book of THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST is a personal book to each individual son of God. You're really suppose to go at it alone and wait for the Revelations of His HOLY SPIRIT."
"It's dangerous as a son of God to read everyone else's interpretation, although they might be right in many areas, on THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST. There's a special seal on it. "
Not really sure what you are getting at here, but I disagree that its a personal book in the sense of having individual interpretations of it.
Its a book with seven seals and only the Holy Spirit can open those seals to us to reveal what is in the book, and those revelations come from SCRIPTURE, not private or personal interpretations.
This is what I was getting at in the post you responded to. The Church seems to think there are many interpretations to Revelation, when in fact there is one which only the (Rev 5:4)"the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof" can reveal to us, and it is revealed through the word.
Be blessed.
YBIC.
David.
gmik:
I think someone else has written this earlier but....The wages of Sin is Death.... Death, not Eternal Horrific Punishment!!!
You are right, it seems it is a miracle that they DON'T see it!! Now, to me, it seems so obvious, like duh, how do you NOT see it.......but a few short years ago I didn't see it either ::)
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