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Hell vs. the Lake of Fire
Sorin:
--- Quote from: gmik on March 16, 2008, 11:12:27 AM ---I think someone else has written this earlier but....The wages of Sin is Death.... Death, not Eternal Horrific Punishment!!!
You are right, it seems it is a miracle that they DON'T see it!! Now, to me, it seems so obvious, like duh, how do you NOT see it.......but a few short years ago I didn't see it either ::)
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I've mentioned that to christians plenty of times, and they say will "eternal torment in hell is death....the lake of fire is the second death" and all this nonsense. You can't argue with someone who doesn't rely on commonsense and logic. The wages of sin is death, not death, and the second death, and also eternal torment which is also death and the second. I mean, which is it, it has to be one, not all three?
It's whatever they want it to be in order to fit their doctrines. And it changes at anytime without notice. And it just goes on and on and on, it's total nonsense, it's endless babble, it's babylonia.
So much for "context, context, context" when they don't even rely on definition, definition, definition of the word, word, word :P
Dante:
--- Quote from: Paul on March 14, 2008, 10:24:46 PM ---It completely baffles me how King James-onlyists can go around talking about people burning in hell for all eternity, when their very Bible says hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire!
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YES, this amazes me also, but as someone said, "only a few short years ago I didn't see it either".
But,....what amazes me even more, is when you confront SOME Mainstream Christians with this Fact, they get all ANGRY and DEFENSIVE!!!!
I mean,.....really!! It is not as if you are telling them you just don't believe in Hell, without a GOOD reason.
You sit down and point out WHY you do not believe in Hell.
And they get all UPSET!! >:(
Why????
I would think that they would be like,..."Wow,...I never looked at it like that!!!" "That is so cool,....you mean EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED!!!" "Wow,...thank God!!" :D
I was jumping for joy, when I found out. ;D
But, most DO NOT have a positive take on it, and THAT, I TRULY do not understand!!!
I probably should not be amazed at that either, but I just cannot help it.
Deborah-Leigh:
Perhaps this can explain it.....
A person goes through life using the false teaching that there is a hell, as their way of letting off steam when they are hurt, abused or persecuted by others. They get a sense of righteous indignation and they feel better by thinking that anyone who upsets them will go to Hell and that God will punish them in eternal torment.
Then someone comes along and takes away their neat little method of getting past feeling bitter and vengeful which is their own pressure valve teaching that there is a Hell and in which they receive false satisfaction that God agrees with them. What are they going to do when they find out this is not true? Explode or tell the technician to get out of the kitchen and that their pressure cooker will not be exchanged for a new edition. How else are they going to feel better?
Not everyone is over joyed at this discovery that there is no pagan hell, because it serves a purpose in keeping in place the self justification in error of wishing others Hell for hurting them. Take that away and they will hate you or repent of their idol of false belief.
Repentance is the way to go but God is in charge of who He brings to repentance through His Goodness and Mercy.
All will repent in the end but some with more stripes, correction and more resistance to letting go of their false beliefs than others. As for those with less stripes and less resistance, it is for us to practice Mercy that God says is His method of judging us all. I know I need Mercy and Grace! Plenty of it continually.
I know that seeing it this way helps me to have pity on those who unconsciously and unknowingly depend on the false pain relief teachings of Babylon.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
Dante:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 16, 2008, 03:07:33 PM ---Perhaps this can explain it.....
A person goes through life using the false teaching that there is a hell, as their way of letting off steam when they are hurt, abused or persecuted by others. They get a sense of righteous indignation and they feel better by thinking that anyone who upsets them will go to Hell and that God will punish them in eternal torment.
Then someone comes along and takes away their neat little method of getting past feeling bitter and vengeful which is their own pressure valve teaching that there is a Hell and in which they receive false satisfaction that God agrees with them. What are they going to do when they find out this is not true? Explode or tell the technician to get out of the kitchen and that their pressure cooker will not be exchanged for a new edition. How else are they going to feel better?
Not everyone is over joyed at this discovery that there is no pagan hell, because it serves a purpose in keeping in place the self justification in error of wishing others Hell for hurting them. Take that away and they will hate you or repent of their idol of false belief.
Repentance is the way to go but God is in charge of who He brings to repentance through His Goodness and Mercy.
All will repent in the end but some with more stripes, correction and more resistance to letting go of their false beliefs than others. As for those with less stripes and less resistance, it is for us to practice Mercy that God says is His method of judging us all. I know I need Mercy and Grace! Plenty of it continually.
I know that seeing it this way helps me to have pity on those who unconsciously and unknowingly depend on the false pain relief teachings of Babylon.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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That was very insightful. I believe you may have something there!!!! :o
I just couldn't understand why a, seemingly, well mannered, loving Christian, would snarl hatefully at the idea of "NO HELL". But I think you may have answered my query!
Very Good then.
Thanks Arcturus. ;D
God Bless.
Dante
Paul:
I'm not arguing about them not believing in aplaceof eternal torment; I'm arguing about them calling it hell. They use the only Bible that says hell will be destroyed; why can't they call their place of eternal torment the lake of fire, like the bible insinuates? Their Bible clearly says hell 2 (the lake of fire) is eternal (from the way they interpret it), not hell. They can at least go around saying "burn in the lake of fire for all eternity" instead of "burn in hell for all eternity".
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