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musicman

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2008, 03:29:13 PM »



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Yeah, when Hell freezes over!!
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Re: Church Services
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2008, 03:35:55 PM »

Hi phazel

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I just received a call from the Pope.  They need someone to work on his escort vehicle (you know, the one that he stands and waves to everybody in?).

Maybe you will be able to fit it with a 'catholic converter'

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Vangie

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2008, 07:13:36 PM »

Funny banter you guys, and it's also great to see some good hearted humor.  Wish I had something witty to contribute!

Musicman, you mentioned you're an instrumental performer.  What are your favorite instrument(s) to play, and what do you feel you really excel at when you're performing?  Me, my best instrument's probably the kazoo, and I'd sound horrendous I'm sure!  Still, I do appreciate music, and I enjoy picking out a single instrument in a song and trying to follow it from start to finish--like the violins in Creed's "Arms Wide Open".  (I should post that one on Samson's or Alex's threads about favorite groups or songs.)  Got off track on a sidebar there, sorry!  I was just wondering what kind of venues are suitable for your talents, as well as being just plain curious as well!   :D

Vangie
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Re: Church Services
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2008, 08:51:23 AM »

Hello Fellow Musicians,

I cannot deny that God gave the me desire to bring forth music.   I have changed "music tracks" accordingly several times in my life's lessons.  All changes due to the merciful will of God. Although everything in the flesh is vanity, including music, I get answers to my agonizing about what God has desired me to do from these scriptures.    I think your disscussion has already agreed to the Word :)

Col 3:23
23   And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

Cor 10:31
31   Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Phil 4:11
11   Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
(KJV)

Col 3:17
17   And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.



Rest in the Lord,
Barbara
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musicman

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2008, 12:46:14 PM »

Funny banter you guys, and it's also great to see some good hearted humor.  Wish I had something witty to contribute!

Musicman, you mentioned you're an instrumental performer.  What are your favorite instrument(s) to play, and what do you feel you really excel at when you're performing?  Me, my best instrument's probably the kazoo, and I'd sound horrendous I'm sure!  Still, I do appreciate music, and I enjoy picking out a single instrument in a song and trying to follow it from start to finish--like the violins in Creed's "Arms Wide Open".  (I should post that one on Samson's or Alex's threads about favorite groups or songs.)  Got off track on a sidebar there, sorry!  I was just wondering what kind of venues are suitable for your talents, as well as being just plain curious as well!   :D

Vangie

I'm a trombonist.  I also play the Euphonium (AKA Baritone) well.  My favorite kind of music is orchestral.  I also like to play chamber music.  Most church gigs are rather easy and not very musical.  It's just that musicians do these things.  If we are to be called for other jobs then we shouldn't turn these down.  Real opportunities are scarce.
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Re: Church Services
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2008, 02:09:45 PM »

Joe and Craig & all others,

Thank you for the thoughtful input.
We need to keep the free will vs. choice topic fresh in our minds.

So many people in Christendom are deceived into thinking that the unchurched, the agnostics and even the professed atheist have chosen to ignore or reject God and Christ.  Then they think that they, being sincerely concerned for these folks, should pray for their eyes to be opened and for them, the unchurched, to be called into their one true denomination be it Baptist, Presbyterian or Church of God.

I truly believe it would be helpful to develop a short presentation of these ideas, that would stimulate interest and perhaps lead to deeper study, even if it was mostly based upon accurate definitions of terms.

So, thank you again for the helpful comments and references.  I think we have a little more work to do for the benefit of even those of us who agree and yet retain some confusion in our own minds.

Regards, Bob

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hdjohn

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2008, 02:20:08 PM »

  Hi,
  I just wanted to say how impressed I am with all of your opinions on topics here on this forum especially ya'lls concern for the new guy, or gal and how they think!!!!!
                                                  THANKS,
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Samson

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2008, 02:46:07 PM »

Hey Brother Musicman,

                                Firstly, this is an interesting thread, their are some good comments posted, I especially liked Craig's first post, that showed great insight, the INNER VOICE and the closer you get to God and desire to do what's right and please him, the more difficult it becomes to make choices.

                                Also, living with the consequences of our choices, thereafter, but we always have the opportunity to learn from them and be disiplined.

                                 As Craig stated, we might have an opinion about what someone should or shouldn't do and that's all it would be, our opinion. It's your choice to make, no passing of Judgement will originate with me. I never had a circumstance like yours.

                                 I would like to share two Scriptures that came to my mind while viewing this thread and that's all their meant to be, a sharing.

                                 Romans. 14:23, " But if he doubts, he is already condemned if he eats, because he does not eat out of faith. Indeed, everything that is not out of faith is sin. "


                                 2 Corinthians. 1:12, " For the thing we boast of is this, to which our conscience bears witness, that with holiness and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but with God's grace, we have conducted ourselves in the world, but more especially towards you."


                Just mentioned those Scriptures to you as a sharing, nothing else, but my wife and I especially thought Craig's first post was excellent and right on target.

                                         Your brother, Samson.
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keth30

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2008, 02:20:53 AM »

This is just my opinion, and since your asking, I'll go ahead and give it.

To me it's not the same as an electrician going in to work at a synagogue that doesn't share the same belief systems.  The music that you are playing actually has a message to it, and if you strongly disagree with the message, even perceive it to be a blasphemous lie, yet you deliver the message and take money, how is it different from the preacher who delivers his sermon and gets paid from his flock?  At least the preacher believes what he is teaching.......  It just feels like dirty money. 

I'm not judging you.  I personally have wrestled with this same issue as I am a singer and my husband is a record producer for his own small label.  (It's his hobby, not our income)  My husband, who does not have the same belief system as me, has been at me for years to cut a gospel album.  I refuse because I know that his purpose is to make money, and I cannot bring myself to sell any sort of message that I feel God has given me.  It just feels like I would be selling God. 

Ultimately it is between you and God.

I hope this didn't sound too harsh, as I'm truly not judging you.  I'm still a smoker... :)

In love,
Keth30
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psalmsinger

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2008, 10:09:37 AM »

From your post Joe, quoting Ray : When one makes a choice, one selects what one prefers


Strange that the very week that I posted my first reply to this subject, I was offered a paying position as choir director.....LOL   Normally, I would have adamantly refuse at the first, but I was asked to pray about it and so I did.  This time I ask God what was the purpose of the offer and what was His will in the matter. I had no desire to do this, but I really wanted to fulfill God's will in the matter and not my own.  I spent some time talking to God about many situations I've been through to sort through His will. What were "they " thinking of, knowing my beliefs were not one with theirs? I could not imagine going through all that hogwash again.  I could not return to my "vomit".  That was a good reflection time.  I remembered this statement from Ray, brought forth by Joe and Arcturus........ and politely turned it down.    I still love music, feeling that I only have to practice/play/teach for the "Chief Musician" . Thanks everyone, maybe the Lord will allow us to jam sometime:)

Rest in the Lord,
Barbara


From your post Joe, quoting Ray : When one makes a choice, one selects what one prefers


This is so revealing as to show us what we prefer. WHAT WE PREFER, points to our spiritual condition. This is why we work out our salvation in fear and trembling because God willing, He shows to us our spiritual condition. When God does this, the consequence should be, fear and trembling knowing God is the potter and we are the clay. Only by His Grace we are made into vessles that house the Spirit of His Son.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)
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Deborah-Leigh

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2008, 04:44:43 PM »

LOL that is so cool Barbara 8) and I too love music! ;D

It really is a huge advantage to know that God's will is for us to be like and as His Son who PLEASES Him in all His Ways, Thoughts and Purposes. When we look at what WE prefer we can know how far we have to go!....sort of :D
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brandon h

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2008, 05:30:33 PM »

Musicman,

     Brother, I can relate to your dillema. I too played in the worship teams in Babylon. And what I've realized about myself back then (before I was introduced to the truth) is that I was caught up in it all. I'm 27 years old, I played in worship bands from about 23-25. So I can say "well, I was younger back than", but the fact remains that the spirit was there that made it difficult to always be totally about God. I remember making it a proiority to try to stay humble, but sometimes feeling no different than when I played secular music in secular venues.

You know your heart and where you are with the Lord, my brother. But as Craig posted IF indeed you are struggling, it may be a sign. But ultimatley that is between you and the Father, and whaterver His will is for you, and you know we will not judge you. As for me, I still write songs for the Lord, but He has not reveled totally what I am to do with them. I desire to put out a cd of songs with lyrics inspired with God's truth. And for any musician that temptation will always be there to take glory for themselves, so I'm thankful for this post. We will be praying for you brother, and I ask that you pray for me as well as all other musicians who have this decision to face. My prayers are with you all.

God Bless
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Deborah-Leigh

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2008, 02:45:48 AM »

Hey Brandon h

Don't be hidding your tallent and let your light shine. When is that CD going to be recorded? 8)

Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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brandon h

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008, 09:17:35 PM »

Well I'm still in the process of writing and tweeking songs. It's been pressed on my heart for a while. I have a mini recorder that I'm using to fine tune the songs. But once it is ready, I'll let you guys know. Then I'll have to tweek my computer skills  :) so that it's free to download. It will not be for sale.
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musicman

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2009, 09:49:30 PM »

I was just interested in the oppinions of others here on an issue.  As my title suggests, I am a musician.  I take musical performance very personal as monetary compensation comes in at a distant second, to the opportunity of playing music.  Afterall, I pay my bills in a field having little to do with musical skill (I teach music to children). 

The problem (if that is the proper term) is in my dealings with Babylon.  See, as a musician it is unwise to refuse work.  This includes work involving the Babylonian church system.  For instance, today (Easter Sunday) I played two services at a church and made some cash.  I also played in an Easter Pagent last week.  Now, I cringe at the thought of serving the Synogogue of Satan but I feel that this is part of being an instrumental performer (which I most definately am).  Now it's one thing to attend church out of curiosity for what may be taught there these days.  It's another thing to serve them for musical exposure or monetary gain. 

I would like any oppionions that truth seekers here may provide on this subject.   

So I was drinkin the coolaid when. . . . . . . .god showed up again.  he said "Musicman, you must go play your instrument again this year at a church".  I says, but god, I've grown so much since last year, why go back to Babylon for the root of all evil (and fun) . . . .money?  he said, "u can use the money to buy me more of the tasty coolaid i tried a few months ago".  "But you have an assignment, and that assignment is to play as awfully as you humanly can".  "When the organist gives the cue, you call the cows home, you blow sounds that the devil himself hums in the shower."  "That'll get them people running from the darkness of Babylon to seek light."  "What i mean is they'll be running from that thing you play."


So folks, I was obeying a command from god.  UUuuummmm, except I played awsomely and that money's buying me, more coolaid.  god, I've failed ya again.
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Re: Church Services
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2009, 10:45:55 PM »

What a great thread...just for dragging it back up, I'm appreciative.

I don't have any advice for you, but I'll tell you a story.

A few years ago I was in hospital...sort of a ward setting ICU instead of a private room, full of beeping machines and other noises common in hospitals.  I was in pretty bad shape, but I remember so well lying there not too far from dead and hearing the various machines beeping, some louder as they were closer, and some more quiet.  Pretty soon a pattern started emerging...melody, rythm, a sense of timing, harmonies in thirds and fifths.  I smiled and started 'improvising', filling in the beat with a tap to my leg or just an imagined sound.  The nurses rustled outside, from time a time a curtain was pulled that gave a little 'zhing' sound.  Then, God bless whoever it was, someone started to moan.  Then it turned into blues.

I don't guess it lasted all that long, but laying there between death and life I was filled up with joy.  It was the first time I felt human again since getting wheeled into the place.  I'm surely not the musician you are, but like that auto mechanic earlier in the thread, I know what it is you're talking about.

I'm so glad now that Jesus is Lord.
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musicman

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2009, 10:55:03 PM »

Great story Dave.  I hope you don't have to go through all of that again.  The music is even better without the hospital bed.
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Re: Church Services
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2009, 12:36:32 PM »

Lake Of Fire  Xlll
What Happened to The Church That Jesus Built

Not teaching now, just was reading this and thought it pertained to this thread,

JESUS GOES TO CHURCH

Perhaps you never thought of Jesus going to Church, but He did. The first time that something is mentioned in Scripture, it is often very instructive. Although it was the habit of Jesus to attend local synagogues during His life, the first time the Scriptures mention Jesus going to the temple as a adult is in Matt. 21:12:

"And they came to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to CAST OUT them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. And He taught, saying unto them, ‘Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the House of Prayer? But ye have made it a DEN OF THIEVES [Gk: ‘burglars’ cave’].’ And the SCRIBES and CHIEF PRIESTS heard it, and sought how they might DESTROY HIM: for they feared Him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine" (Mark 11:15-18).

What a revelation of the church of God we have in these three verses!

Jesus was so angry with the leaders at the temple for turning it into a money-making flea market, that he:

"cast out them that sold and bought in the temple"

"overthrew the tables of the moneychangers and seats of them that sold doves"

"suffered no one to carry vessels [of merchandise] through the temple"

Jesus said that they "made the House of Prayer a DEN OF THIEVES"!

Say, did you notice that they were buying and selling "…in the Temple?" Do you think that just maybe this has anything to do with the fact that,

"…NO MAN might BUY OR SELL, save he that had the MARK OR THE NAME OF THE BEAST, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME" (Rev. 13:17)?

We will cover the Mark of the Beast in a later installment.

But this is all ancient history, isn’t it? The modern Church of God has not been turned into a "den of thieves" has it? Were the High priests and Scribes, going against the law of either their own religious beliefs or of Rome? No. No, they weren’t. So they were not "thieves" according to the Church or the Roman government. But were they thieves, nonetheless? Yes, they were, Jesus Christ SAID THEY WERE THIEVES, a whole "DEN OF THIEVES"!

At least the modern Church of God is not a "den of thieves," is it? I’m sure not all; you can be the judge:

One of the major factors in the Reformation was the disdain over the practice of the Church selling INDULGENCES. The American Heritage College Dictionary, "indulgence n. 6. Roman Catholic Church The remission of temporal punishment still due for a sin that has been sacramentally absolved."

Make no mistake about it:

"For the love of money is the [Gk. ‘a’] root of all evil" (I Tim. 6:10).

Before the Reformation, it was thought by some that one could practically "buy" one’s salvation.

Jesus "CAST OUT them that sold and bought in the temple." Is there, "buying and selling" going on in the Church today? Excuse me…does a cat have a tail?

Now don’t think that I am against money. Jesus Himself used money in his ministry (but he never sold in the temple, neither did He ever collect a penny in tithe money).

I couldn’t count the number of e-mails I have received in response to my article on tithing being unscriptural under the new covenant, in which they ask how they should pay their church utility bill if the people don’t tithe? I tell them to pay it with a check backed by money in the bank. All those interested in paying the utility bill should contribute voluntary offerings of money for that expense. This is not difficult. But no one under the New Covenant is obligated by law or conscience to pay ten percent of their salaries to a church! People under the Old Covenant, likewise, were not under law to pay ten percent of their salaries to the Levites. And, Yes, they did have money back then.

UNSCRUPULOUS PEDDLERS OF GOD’S WORD

After Jesus THREW OUT those who "bought and sold" in the temple, did they ever return? Not only did they return to the temple after Christ’s resurrection, but they also came into the very Church, which Jesus said HE WOULD BUILD. The whole temple system in Jerusalem was so utterly corrupt that they corrupted the people of Jerusalem and Judea as well.

In and around 70 AD the armies of Titus surrounded Jerusalem and there was an awful slaughter. You can read of these horrible events in the writings of Josephus. But even before the temple with its corrupt religious system was demolished, it had already spread its ugly tentacles into the Church which Jesus built.

Terry
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2009, 10:59:18 AM »

Terry, that's what I call shooting straight or not holding back any punches.
  Musicman, the money you were paid came from people that were scammed through tithing.
The music is about worship and praise to God. It cant be compared to doing electrical work or anything in that category.
 No judgment here just opinion as you asked.

Peace
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Vangie

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Re: Church Services
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2009, 10:01:29 PM »

Roy, I understand what you mean about the money coming from the blind tithers, but I must beg to differ regarding Musicman's services not being comparable to electrical work, etc.  He's a musician, and making music is how he earns/supplements his living.  (It's a tough one, which was the whole point of him starting this thread back when.)  My husband has bid on church jobs on the construction side of life; if he gets the jobs, wouldn't his pay come from the scammed tithers also?  At this point, we're in no position to turn down any income, if you know what I mean. 

Also, I think Musicman might be in a kind of "outside looking in" position that we can't really relate with in regards to actually and physically seeing Babylon in action.  Might even explain his oddball comments here on the forum.   ::) ;D ;D  I kill me. 

Hope this comes across as humorous and positive as I'm meaning it.  I'll be the first to admit that my sense of humor doesn't translate well in person sometimes, much less via the keyboard; but it's all meant in love.  :)

In Christ,
Vangie
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